I like the reminders that people are real in this movie. Reminds us what they’re fighting for. They are humanizing moments that ground the rationale of the heroes.
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It dehumanizes the characters though when they don’t even have a name and we know nothing about them. It’s not great storytelling.
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I don’t think you need to know the name of a person to care about them. But I respect your opinion regardless.
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I don’t get the, “this movie is too long” complaint… It’s on HBOMAX you can pause and take breaks whenever you want.
Okay, first the bad, Dude, The slow dramatic music ques… After the first 3 I was sitting here thinking, wait, is this why the movie is 4 hours. I get it this is grand epic storytelling with larger than life characters, but come on, less slow music, more Superman punchy.
I swear, I’m going to take a screen shot, and up load every time in the movie, the closed caption says
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[ancient lamentation music playing]
That is all that I remember that was bad. 
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The Great, Cyborg and Flash, giving them backgrounds, giving them character arcs. Yes.
More Amy Adams is always better, and when Martha turned into Martian Manhunter, I let out an audible . EEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee
I’m glad Zack got rid of some of Whedon’s takes.
Flash groping WW gone
The family in Russia they had to save gone
Batman you can talk to fish gone
actually, Zack got rid of a lot of Aquaman’s, and Batman’s, and Flash’s stupid one liners.
Flash was still funny, but Whedon made Flash an unfunny joke.
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DUDE!, when Aquaman stabbed Steppenwolf in the back, and Wonder Woman Chopped his head off. yes Yes YES !
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I don’t know if this was in the original Justice League, but when Barry delivers the line " I’m so glad we have a plan now" I was like LOL, Take That Josstice League.
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Darkseid and DeSaad … EVERYTHING !
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I want to see Zack’s Justice League 2 and 3, but yeah I agree with an earlier reply.
If they do that Lois Lane Batman baby… ugh… that would be so dumb.
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Barry had some awkward moments, but his character was no longer solely awkward. His character was multifaceted, finally. The ones he did have, worked. Much to my relief.
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I enjoyed most of it, and thought it made more sense overall in the DCEU up to that point. The only part I actually disliked was the Joker. The could have just had him mention the parents and boy wonder; the rest was just weird and too long.
Edit… where did people get the idea that Lois and Bruce had a fling? I didn’t get that impression at all. I figured the pregnancy test was a hint at a potential baby Jon.
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I was pleasantly surprised. Obviously, the expectations going in were different, but there a number of instances in WW84 where I was noticing things were taking too long, and only a couple in this movie (Aquaman walking down the pier, grieving for the Amazon under the horse). The climax for this was way better than the original. What was most surprising was that there were zero scenes where I was thinking it demanded to be replaced with a reshoot scene. I’m still not positive that Whedon wouldn’t have produced something as entertaining if they’d greenlit a three-hour run time for him. But it was clear that what Whedon shot in new material was not noticiably better than what Snyder had to begin with. If they had held off releasing the theatrical version for a bit, and just put out a 2.5-3 hour version of what Snyder shot, they would have probably had better box officie, and they’d certainly have a lower break-even point with no reshoots.
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I don’t either, I just think within the context of storytelling, if you’re going to make a character the emotional core of the scene they shouldn’t just be a throwaway nobody, they should be somebody the audience is at least introduced to first so that the scene has stakes and context. But then that’s characterization, which Snyder has basically never been good at.
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Not sure I agree. Just saw the Grace Randolph [ Beyond the trailer ] review.
The first fight scene with Steppenwolf outside the hudson river building.
When the people were running outside, and Flash using his powers to save them from the collapsing building. Joss took that scene out, because he said the audience wouldn’t know what’s going on.
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Plus, and this cannot be argued… Joss added the weird Superman mustache scene at the beginnig of the movie… That is NOT in Zack’s version.
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Dude… it’s already a 4 hour movie.
Did you want Synder to make a 7 hour movie just to give all the side characters full back stories ?
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Absolutely agree. To me, the “humanity” of the story made the JLA legends even more compelling.
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There’s so much empathy in the small moments.
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Are we watching the same movie?
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That was my first impression when I heard that line. But then the JLA went out and proved just the opposite, that the JLA was just fine without Superman. My gut feel is if Green Lantern had been added to the JLA (similar to the early JSA), then Superman would not have been missed at all.
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The delivery on that line was just so great that nothing took away from it for me.
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I believe that is why the longer film time works. It does not cut out the areas that help you appreciate the empathy in such a diverse and large cast, rather than just be another “action” costumed hero film. I am really proud that Warner Bros made the decision to release this version. Gutsy.
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This is Madness, and it isn’t even Sparta…
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Cyborg and Flash, had great character development in the movie.
I mean… If you hate Zack, that’s on you brother.
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I have not laughed at anything as hard at the scene where Barry is rescuing Iris. That is the single most pretentiously awkward thing I have ever seen. Cinema is dead.
And you know, maybe get Iris out of the road…
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I have nothing against him, other than he makes terrible films. He’s like if Michael Bay thought he was Werner Herzog. Probably a decent dude but that doesn’t make him a good filmmaker.
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Or another hero steps up. Wonder Woman or another hero. I don’t see that Superman was essential. And I think a lot forget that John J’onzz is also very powerful, quite likely more powerful than Superman.
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