There’s always one match that leaves a bitter taste every year. This time it’s Batwoman over Lightning Lass. I’m convinced that it was not power, or guile, or tactics, or tech that got Batwoman that win. It was LBGTQ plot armor and brand recognition.
I’ve yet to hear anybody put forth any circumstance where anyone in the bat family can fight temperatures 5x the surface of the sun. Give an explanation in how that happens, otherwise I’m calling BS in that matchup.
But, plot armor or not Batwoman advances. Eventually she’s gonna go down, and I’ll be cheering when that happens.
Another fact! Although I don’t think it’s fair at ALL to call it some kind of LGBTQ “armor” like its some agenda. It’s this always will be. Sexuality has nothing to do w/ it.
The bats get off the hook w/ everything, no matter how illogical. Case in point: Nightwing beat Darkseid, right?? How?
Batgirl losing pokes a bit of a hole in that argument. That’s why it’s an “and brand name recognition”
But, it is true that some how, for reasons that are never explained in stories or debates, how the very human bat-family gets god-tier abilities pulled right out of…thin air, shall we say. (Sometimes I curse community guidelines. )
And don’t even get me started on Nightwing over Darkseid. That rant could go on for days.
I mean, any character can win over any other character given the right story. In this framework, all other variables aside, we’re still talking straight “fighting” … how many characters win in-story via convincing their opponent they shouldn’t be fighting, or posing an offer-you-can’t-refuse ultimatum? (Or “I set this up weeks ago” or “and this army” or any other scenario overtly barred from consideration here…including the bat-common “well, I lost, but I somehow lived to get you next time”)
Not against Hawkgirl, it doesn’t. You saw how close the results were against Kara, too. If a slightly lesser known character were her opponent, she prbly would’ve won. I think BG only lost because she was up against a character of equal popularity. imo.
Well many factors go into brand recognition. And yeah, Batgirl should have gone out in the first round to Hawkgirl. It was definitely a bit of a litmus test on how voting was going to be.
Fully why we need those overrides and coin tosses. That is not to say Babs couldn’t go toe to toe w/ some of these characters. At all. She CAN. It’s even more tricky having magic involved, tho, but let’s not even start w/ that!
The sweet 16 match between Zee and Raven should be good. Of course I look at Raven as less magic than a power conduit she can tap into. So in that sense. I think Raven is more of a “tank” than a mage.
F v BF- F
I feel F is just more level headed. I think Balckfires temper will get the best of her in this battle of warriors.
E v C- C
I just think C’s magi is stronger than E. Plus E’s duality puts her at a disadvantage.
Lash v Max- Max
Max because well I don’t know much about the to besides they’re good fighters with different strengths. But I had Lash loosing to Ursa so Max will win for her.
SW v Rose- SW
Rose is skill but not for Sw.
SS v HQ-HQ
I feel her popularity will get her the win.
Ivy v Bansh- Ivy
Power wise I think Ivy has this.
Tal v Shiva
Shiva just a better fighter
LW v Frost-Frost
I feel Frost gets underestimated a lot so I think she’ll pull this surprise.
ok but isn’t silver banshee like a an actual ghost at one point and unless you know magic or have magic items there really isn’t a lot you can do against a ghost
I’m getting the feeling that the way we’ve done the Olympian Overrides has been better received than the Lazarus Pit Saves from last year. Throwing in the coin flip to add a random element and having the paragraphs from Mr Le Clear has really been positive.
I’m curious as to how other folks are feeling about the Olympian Overrides vs Lazarus Pit Saves.
So let’s hear what you all think, please.
Meta Madhouse has (I think) taken root at DCUI and feedback to make next year even better is greatly appreciated.
I have the Femme Fatales portion of the bracket correct so far. And I had Supergirl vs. Miss Martian. That’s better than I expected. I had Jessica Cruz vs. Star Sapphire as my finals, so half of that is still a possibility.
ms martian beats supergirl because Martians like Kryptonians are way over powered allowing her time to get in Kara’s head
Barda beats batwomen- this isn’t so much a fight as it is batwoman being destroyed
Raven beats Zatanna- honestly this could go either way but I feel like Raven has the edge
Starfire- i want vixen to win but I can’t see how unless starfire lost her powers some how and I personally dislike “oh they lost their powers everything is so hard stories” or in Batman’s case money
Circe beats blackfire- Circe has lots of magic power and also her main thing in myths was turning someone into something/someone else- i think she could use that to bribe blackfire
Maxima-ok from my memory Maxima is more hands on than superwoman- in forever evil superwoman stays on top by manipulation and using people. maxima adhered to that cliche alien warrior princess has to marry someone stronger than her. in an all-out brawl Maxima wins
star sapphire- both plants and humans need oxygen to survive, all she has to do is get the fight to outer space, the cold alone should kill Ivy where star sapphire’s ring probably provides insulation
shiva beats killer frost- shiva has probably done some super dangerous frost endurance training in Himalaya mountains or something equally inhospitable , allowing her to get in arms length of killer frost. once shiva is in arms length the fight is over
She’s dismissed more about battle tactics than Kate will ever know.
Her power range is virtually off the charts. She can go toe to toe with WW in a straight up brawl. With the help of years of train in battle tactics and the mega-rod, she can take down Kryptonians.
Starfire, and it’s not even close. The nature of her powers, plus flight plus she’s a warrior princess.
So Supergirl over Miss M. Why? 2 words…heat vision.
Barda over Batwoman, not even bat plot armor can save her from this beat down.
I’ve got Zee over Raven, which is probably a bit of an upset. Zee is sneaky smart. Not to mention she can keep both Constantine and Etrigan check. So demons and a bad attitude don’t scare Zee. She knows how to deal with that, no problem.
Circe over Blackfire. Circe is the powerhouse on the villains side of the bracket.
Superwoman over Maxima in what should prove the biggest punch up of the tournament so far. I think it’s a question of who wants it more as the battle goes on. In this case, greed is good and SW wins the battle, which clearly demonstrates why this is a madhouse.
Star Sapphire over Ivy, as explained above.
KF over Lady Shiva. If Shiva can get it to truly close quarters combat, she’d win. However, no way KF allows that to happen.
always will be. Sexuality has nothing to do w/ it.
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You saw how close the results were against Kara, too. If a slightly lesser known character were her opponent, she prbly would’ve won. I think BG only lost because she was up against a character of equal popularity. 
imo.
couldn’t go toe to toe w/ some of these characters. At all. She CAN. It’s even more tricky having magic involved, tho, but let’s not even start w/ that!
I had Jessica Cruz vs. Star Sapphire as my finals, so half of that is still a possibility.