Meta Madhouse Throwdown on Themyscira Discussion and Debates

Razzzcat · March 30, 2021, 10:46pm

Orrrr Ivy just sprays her w/ any number of chemical concoctions, grounds her and then perhaps, I dunno, tears her limbs off. Lots can happen and Ivy’s no joke. (I’m team Ivy, but this is all in fun @Izzy11, I promise! )

Just gonna leave this right here. Nature doesn’t die, it naps.

DC89 · March 30, 2021, 11:07pm

Seems that underestimating Dinah’s prowess as a fighter still seems to be en vogue, so I’m just gonna’ leave this right here…

Izzy11 · March 31, 2021, 1:28am

oh its all good i like ivy better anyway

NYJt3 · March 31, 2021, 4:20am

MM v SG: MM
I know SG has heat vision but is her heat vision faster than MM can think. Especially MM’s very powerful Martian mind.

BW v BB: BB
She a female fury. She BW would put up a fight but in the end be there’s no chance.

Rav v Z: Z
Z because I think she’s beaten darker magic than Raven and has more control over her abilities.

SF v Vix: SF
Fire burns animals. And I feel she’s more combat trained.

BF v Circ: Circ
Magic beats tamarainians (probably butchered that spelling )

Max v SW: SW
Wider power range and more ruthless

SS v PI:
I had HQ winning this so I’d say Ivy loses here too. More with reasoning I think lantern ring is more powerful than plants. She could just cut her connection off and take her to space with a construct.

LS v Frost: LS
Her Kombat is unmatched even if Frost has powers.

Pow-Pow · March 31, 2021, 6:55am

I have almost the same as deSade. One difference - I picked Blackfire over Circe. I might be completely wrong about this one, but in the comics I’ve read Circe has been more of a strategist than a battle mage. She seems old school to me and benefits from the long game, manipulation and agents working for her. But my Circe reading is admittedly limited.

DeSade-acolyte · March 31, 2021, 3:08pm

Circe prefers not to sully her hands. Circe is functionally immortal. Why fight directly when you have time on your side. (Very much like Vandsl Savage, in that aspect) So in that sense, in universe, she generally plays a long game. Make no mistake, she can be a fight mage.

DeSade-acolyte · March 31, 2021, 3:16pm

I’d argue SG’s heat vision works as fast as SGs mind. So if “speed of thought” is the argument here, both can activate their attacks with the speed of thought. Even if MM can get inside her head to stop SG’s heat vision. There will already be fire close to her which will be effective in breaking her concentration.
Also MM can’t use psychic attacks “on the run”, so she’s a sitting duck.

NYJt3 · March 31, 2021, 3:26pm

True. Just most of the times I’ve seen heat vision in action there is that build up before the release so I think if MM is fast enough in those seconds she go get in there.

As for “on the run” I think I’ve scene MM use psychic attacks while mobile but could be wrong there

keath · March 31, 2021, 6:21pm

Agreed. Raven is alpha as far as power, but doesn’t have the control to leverage it against other powerful sorcerers. There’s a reason Raven is a teenager or young adult - if she grew up, or had a responsible adult magic mentor, then there’s no story anymore; every fight, every villain, every time would just be Raven on a mountaintop blinking it in to resolution. (ibid every speedster having to stop to think about what they’re doing instead of just solving all the world’s problems.)

I’m enjoying it. I didn’t follow the forums in the past, so only had the mysterious DC Daily “there was save”. Having the logic of it, from an expert authority, plus an element of chance, makes it all fit in place better.

keath · March 31, 2021, 6:38pm

My Sweet 16 thoughts - similar to many posted thus far…

Supergirl beats Miss Martian - fire before mind control. Once that’s lit, it’s not going out, even if Kara needs to collect herself to overcome the mind games. This is the girl who dove in to the sun to remove a Red Lantern ring. She will overcome.
Barda beats Batwoman - c’mon, really, it’s over now Kate.
Zatanna beats Raven - finally, Raven’s self doubt will catch up with her. Zatanna is the better mage here and has experience dealing with multidimensional demons. Depending on the story framework, I could even see this fight ending without an iota of magic; just Zee talking Raven down.
Starfire over Vixen - I sided with Vixen when it’s fire vs earthly powers, but once we’ve got Tamaranian might, flight, and righteous fury, no animal she can channel will stop K’ori.
Circe over Blackfire - ALL. THE. POWERS. OF. HECATE. I’d still put Circe ahead without them, per the whole “don’t need to be there when it happens, baby” whenever a powerful sorcerer goes against an alien powerhouse, but with them, this is painful and brief, and likely involves many Tamaranian curses.
Maxima over Superwoman - if she can beat Ursa and Lashina, Superwoman’s no challenge. If she got past round one, this is the elder Maxima, who required the combined power of a Kryptonian (Kara), a neo-Kryptonian (Lana), and the younger Maxima to go down.
Star Sapphire over Poison Ivy - in space, no one can hear you photosynthesize. Carol can sever vines and any other entanglement to try and prevent that. She can crystalize any attempted spore or pollen attack. I agree with @DeSade-acolyte’s point about nature doesn’t die, but that doesn’t change the outcome of this fight. Ivy might come back for revenge, but she’s not going to prevent Carol from ending this fight in the cold, heartless vacuum of space.
Shiva over Frost - Frost has the power to win, but doesn’t think fast enough to stop Shiva. Shiva trains in ridiculous conditions; she is not slowed by the cold and short of being literally encased in a glacier, will take down Frost before she can think of such an extreme plan.

Mae · April 1, 2021, 1:28am

I don’t think so

Razzzcat · April 1, 2021, 1:36am

Like a certain plant lady I know… #TeamGreen

On the real tho, I still think she could poison her and tear her limb from limb… hey, it could happen!

DeSade-acolyte · April 1, 2021, 2:25am

Well, what Ivy got that will work on an actual goddess? Also, Circe is known for her potions and use of herbs. Chances are she knows more and more about poisons than Ivy does. Chances are she’s got more poisons than Ivy.

Circe is the actual Olympian goddess version of Ivy. PI can only dream of being that powerful.

And she’s got 3000+ years more experience than Ivy and she hasn’t aged a day. (Can you imagine the skincare regime ya gotta have to pull that off.)

I know you’re team green, @Razzzcat
However, if ya really want to be truly team green, Circe is your girl.

Razzzcat · April 1, 2021, 3:44am

That is correct! Circe is one of my champions.

But so is Ivy.

I cant abandon her- she’d absolutely positively never forgive me!

DeSade-acolyte · April 1, 2021, 3:46am

I think if was anybody but Circe (or Harley) she’d never forgive ya. But, let’s face it, Ivy’s bracket has Circe winning it all.

Razzzcat · April 1, 2021, 3:55am

At this point, I hope so, otherwise I’m going to be super bummed I didn’t make more brackets! They aren’t looking so good on the other side.

discordia57 · April 1, 2021, 3:58am

You make it difficult for me Mae, this is a compelling argument for Batwoman, but… Barda? But for Barda, and I think you have me, against so many opponents.

DeSade-acolyte · April 1, 2021, 5:52am

The “but it’s Barda” argument is compelling. Stick any non-meta human in Apokolips and see how long they fair. A day, couple of days, a week at the longest. At sometime that non-meta is going to need sleep and that means parademon chow.

By contrast Barda would just sneak up from Medusa grab her shoulders, grab Medusa’s snake hair and lift. Full blown complete rip out of her spinal coloum.

Mae · April 1, 2021, 2:54pm

Harley had no problem in the HQ animated series

DeSade-acolyte · April 1, 2021, 3:29pm

Umm…not so.
Harley boomtube’s into and out of Darkseid’s throne room, and is there less than an hour. She has one fight with Granny Goodness, her entire time is the length of that one scene, which is less than 10 minutes.