Exactly, nothing makes any sense at all. Iām at work watching this between calls hoping the phone will ring and save me from this show.
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The best explanation for all of the magical oddities in this episode, including Bruce in the diner, is that they were all caused by Rachelās subconscious as foreshadowed in the Tarot scene (the Moon card, saying her subconscious and the world of dreams would show the path). How to explain Bruce with magical powers? Occamās Razor: it wasnāt Bruce but a mystical projection from Rachelās mind drawing from other bits and fragments supplied by the thoughts of other Titans (the jelly donuts). It may have even been her contact with Dickās mind that led to his latest round of conversations with Bruce.
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@rdoliver30 Thatās a cool/crazy theory but I honestly donāt think the writers are that deep with this series to concoct something mind-bending as that. It wouldnāt explain why that specific Diner though (one that sheās not familiar at all with), Rachel has the phone numbers for everyone that gathered there too so itād be such a round about way for the writers to gather them like that and make the whole episode even more convoluted with having both Dickās conscious in the form of Bruce and then another Bruce projected from Rachelās mind. Iād probably dislike this episode more if that were the case tbh. It just over complicates things.
The more I think about it, the more idiotic Bruceās method of communicating his āmeeting invitationā seems. It could easily have been a trap but they all just waltzed right in to this mysterious diner no one ever heard of. Would have been funny if Bruce walked in and startled them and they all fried him.
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So, let me see if I can break this down for the people having a hard time connecting dots.
Jericho is, and has been, living inside Sladeās body the entire season.
Jericho also has been projecting his consciousness into Dick in the form of a Bruce hallucination.
He doesnāt want the leader of the team hes trying to get revenge against, in prison, because that defeats the purpose.
So he reveals heās alive and motivates Dick to reinvent himself into something deadlier.
A worthy adversary of Jericho/Deathstroke.
Bruce used radio waves as a delivery system for hypnotic suggestion targeted specifically at each Titan.
The reason that Rachel had a dream of ELKO Diner is because those hypnotic suggestions had been firmly planted into her subconscious and manifested in her dreams.
Iām a little more sold on the casting of Bruce Wayne, but heās still just too damn old!
In the comics, Bruce is only 10 to 12 years older than Dick.
Meaning, if Dick is 26, Bruce is ONLY 36 to 38. NOT 48 to 58 lol.
Thatās really the only issue I have with the showā¦ that and they need to pick up the pace on their high level narrative by the end of this season or at least starting in season 3.
This slow burn of episodes 1 - 10 followed by a WTF explosion of content in the last couple episodes is annoying at BEST and only causing people to lose faith half way through each season.
My suggestion: have episodes 1 - 4 build up the storyline and have episodes 5 and 6 deliver a mid season plot advancement. (Kapow!)
Then have episodes 7 - 10 do the same building into a bigger season finale that ends with a bigger punch (KAPOW!) In the last few episodes.
The payoff will be better, fans will be more engaged and overall, the show will be easier to follow and more enjoyable to watch.
Just my 2 cents.
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Same
Based on the tombstone in Rachelās vision Dick is 29
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@Grevin I honestly donāt see that in the episode. If he was using hypnotic suggestion to gather them together there wouldnāt be a need for him to turn Dawnās engine light out forcing her to stop at the Diner if she felt the need to go there regardless due to hypnotic suggestion. Kory was going crazy since the beginning of the episode imagining going back to Tamaran and even the Psychiatrist dude broke down her whole mental state of being ārisky & using him as an object for escapismā (probably because she just killed her close friend and has no way of going back home after the ships blew up, basically stuck on Earth alone now) so her picking up and leaving just trying to find anything to fill the void (Donuts) seemed normal in her mental state. Bruce fabricating a call from Rachel to Donna telling her āElkoās Dinerā wouldnāt be considered hypnotic suggestion since Donna was looking for Rachel regardless and so sheād go there. Bruce definitely used manipulation but I personally disagree there was any type of hypnotic suggestion through radio waves.
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Gaaaahhh, I hate this so much. Iām kind of at a sunk cost fallacy in that Iāve put so much time and effort into wanting to like this show that I canāt just stop watching now. Iām probably going to unsubscribe after the season is over. Harley Quinn does not interest me and I prefer physical comics, so if thereās nothing left to watch, Iām not sticking around.
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@Grevin I still donāt see why heād want revenge against Dick since he put himself in front of Sladeās blade to protect Dick (not saying youāre wrong just nothing shown āso farā of why heād do this). Personally my theory is that since Slade underwent different experiments including one that led into Jericho having special powers that once Jericho entered Sladeās body a part of Sladeās āmeta-geneā or whatever triggered so he was able to use the powers of Jericho that were either dormant or didnāt activate when Slade had the experiments done on him. Maybe Slade is using Jericho-like powers for manipulation while Jericho genuinely wants Dick to help him. Like the scene in āAtonementā when Dick met Slade (Jericho in Sladeās body) formed the hand sign for āhelpā and Slade was struggling to keep control and not let Jericho speak which is why he was grunting so much. If Slade doesnāt have these Jericho like powers than maybe heās just forcing Jericho to use his powers to manipulate the Titans. Feels like Rose being the mole is too basic and thereās another twist with why the personal items were placed in each Titanās room. (which Jason was blamed for)
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This episode has been the best out of this last half if the season.
Iām glad they confirmed that Rose has been her dadās plant all this time, even if it came out of nowhere. There werenāt any hints at all, she was barely in the show, but it is what it is. Now sheās out, which the team better find out.
Iām glad the focus has returned to Rachel and Graysonās father-daughter relationship!
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Slow, boring, and a little confusing. Iām sorry DC, I love you but I have to be honest , not loving this seasonā
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I enjoyed the episode! Poor Kory, sheās going thru her own transition, but with again like no support, sheās just trying to handle it on her own. Iām excited to see her in the next season!
Although I hate that it seems like it took so long for Donna to figure out her own course of action. I can kinda see that feeling that she and Dawn had, so seeing that is frustrating, but itās probably meant to feel that way. Interpersonal relationships are messy and Bruce said it, it takes more to feel the wallop and come back. But I also thought it was hilarious and actually kinda in character for Bruce to drop info and then walk, like no finish it please. But I like how he is firmly a supporting character. And Gar is set-up! 
that will play on his insecurities too!
Jason and Rose were cute 
neither of them good at opening up, but I donāt think Rose expected to feel anything at all, and now itās bugging her; glad to see her trying to separate from her dad (tho heās got to feel like heās lost 2 kids to the titans). And good to see Jason trying to open up. Adds more dimension to his character than is generally portrayed. Altho there is definitely a storm aācominā ā¦
I just really liked this episode!! 
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Another weak episode. Just not feeling it anymore
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I feel yaā. I keep wanting to like Titans, I left mixed (like 7/10) on Season 1 so wanted to give it another shot and was really enjoying Season 2 up until Episode 9. The writing qualityās been going downward/inconsistent and I keep yelling (WHY!!>?!?! 
) but I know Iāll sign back up for Season 3 only because I like seeing some of these characters I watched as a kid in live action.
I just hope they actually act like heroes in Season 3
Also no more Titans killing/wounding Cops/FBI/Innocent people in general
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A mixed feelings episode to be sure. Poor Gar. He doesnāt deserve this. Heās been the one person that trusts Dick and would do anything for him. Even though Kory is going through her own crap, she stayed to help. I fear for Rachel, I think Trigon is really pushing her limits. Dawn and Donna are being ridiculous, as is Hank. They are al at fault for what happened to Jericho, stop blaming Dick for it all. I was tickled pink to see Jason pull Rose away from her father, WTG. Bruce is a good mental foil for Dick. But, Bruce is doing a horrible job of keeping his identity secret.
Now, onto DIck. I get the fact that he feels he needs to atone for the past, but as I said above, the rest of the Titans also shoulder the blame for Jericho. The Grayson storyline is going on too long. He should have been Nightwing three episodes ago, This would have led to a great lead in to the big battle with Deathstroke. Anyway, thatās my two cwnts. 
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Cut down the cast/team. The showrunners/writers are hurting themselves by having to work with so many character arcs. So many things went on that wasnāt necessary.
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Whatās with the weird spelling of this weekās episode title? What am I missing?
Iām not convinced that was really Bruce Wayne in the diner. Sure he could have arranged those messages that brought them to the diner. But how would he have known that donuts would work to get Kory there? And where did that platter of donuts come from just before he left? I think something else was going on there.
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