The Superman Thread

The short answer is yes. The longer answer starts with, I get why you feel that way, but a few things:

I think that, in his quieter moments, Kal also has a calm & cool vibe which contributes to that reassuring presence. Behold my favorite Superman cover:

The inspiration for that image and for parts of All-Star Superman was a moment when Morrison stepped outside a convention and saw a guy in Superman cosplay, sitting on a bench, and looking entirely at ease (or something like that). The spark that lit in Grant was the realization that Superman would be entirely at ease 99.9% of the time. Why wouldn’t he be? Nothing’s going to harm him, due to his powers everything is beautiful, and he has that inner peace. So, I think the calm and cool vibe is absolutely integral to Superman and I think that’s what you’re reading from Jon in his stories. Like, in issue #3 there was that moment when Jon was flying around the Injustice Earth and just taking in the clean air and basking in the quiet. That’s a great example if that and I see why it probably pops out at you more than anything else, but I do think it is an important part of being Superman.

But, I also get what you’re looking for and what you think is missing. You want Jon to have that same presence his father has where he flies in to save the day and you know everything will be alright. I think Jon has had those moments like when he stood alone against the Dark Army in Dark Crisis (probably the best example he’s had of a moment like that). In my estimation, his willingness to be arrested while standing with the protestors fighting for the Gamorran refugees was also a moment like that- though, from a different sort of angle. I think those were both moments where he exuded the kind of assertive confidence that gives Kal that larger than life presence. Does he have that all the time? No, but-

There’s merit to both these points. Jon is still in the early stages of his heroic career and that kind of confidence is tough to maintain when you’re just starting out. Also, yeah, Jon is not Kal and he will not/should not be Kal so it’s probably always going to feel a bit different. Finally, Kal has something that Jon doesn’t have: Reputation. Part of the reason Kal has that larger than life aura is because we’ve been reading/watching/listening to him for years and we’re trained to regard him that way. We are conditioned to feel reassured that evil is $%*#ed and the day is saved when he comes to the rescue because he’s done it for 85 years. Jon has been Superman for like two and change…? It may just take more time than that, is all…

Edit because I was so focused on the question and forgot about the second part of your post:

I played the first mobile game a lot (the second always worked kind of funny on my phone). I pretty much just concentrated on powering up my Superman cards. I also played through the first Injustice as Superman on the PS4 and remember that ending you mentioned. I have the second one in my library from my PS+ subscription, so maybe I should fire it up and see if much changed. I definitely get why you’re annoyed by the dictator Superman possibly being the first image of the character that a generation of gamers being exposed to. My hope that their minds will change if they get into the comics. Just… not the Injustice comic.

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All very well articulated, my friend. I think you’re answering my question by confirming some of the stuff I was saying to myself regarding Jon’s age, exposure, and experience.

I too thought of that All-Star Superman image. It’s why I said a calm reassuring presence is definitely a trait I expect of Superman, and Jon definitely has that. And yes, Jon flying around taking in the clean air was a moment where I felt that. I was just too lazy to type it :joy:.

You described my feelings about Clark perfectly. Actually I’m very happy that you didn’t take my words as a knock on Jon. Good point about us as readers having not lived that long with Jon. Who knows how stories, and our feelings towards the character, will unfold over time. The moments you listed were definitely good ones, and hopefully he’ll have a lot more to come.

There’s another part of me… call it shallow or escapist if you will… that enjoys spectacle. In these threads there’s a lot of talk about Superman’s core, his values, what he stands for, etc. It’s all valid and I of course don’t disagree with any of it. I also want to see Superman soar and do the unbelievable things that we know he can do. Visuals I can couple in my head with that John Williams theme, you know? We’re getting that in spades in Clark’s comics at the moment, so I guess it’s ok that Jon’s are little bit… quieter… would that be a good word for it?

I say that and feel a bit hypocritical. The latest episode of Superman & Lois had absolutely zero spectacle, with no Supes action, but was still phenomenal. I think it may very well go back to what you said about having spent decades with a character and just caring about every little thing.

■■■■, I’m rambling.

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Thanks! But… yeah, I think it’s mostly just that he’s younger and has had less time. Probably not too much more complicated than that.

I feel that. I wish I could be lazier with my posts, but whenever I am someone eats me alive for missing a single panel where Blue Beetle is holding a pistol. That’s not relevant to anything we’re discussing. I’m just taking a self-pity moment over the bed I made for myself on DCUI :laughing:

I tend to get a bit defensive of the kids both because I feel a significant chunk of the fanbase is pretty unfair to them (or are constantly petitioning for them to be de-aged) and because I seem to naturally take the path of most resistance. However, since it came from you, moro, I was not suspicious of your motives for the comment and correctly reasoned it was a genuine reflection on where we’re currently at with the Jon Kent Superman.

Shallow? That’s a hard no. Escapist? Of course. We’re comic book fans. None of us would be here if we didn’t want the escapism. If I didn’t need the escapism then I would finish reading all those novels I’m currently avoiding because they make me feel bad feelings despite how brilliant I think they are. Enjoy the magic of super powers because real life is tough enough!

I think that comes down to the differences between PKJ and Taylor as storytellers. PKJ tends to sprinkle in a lot of little fights as his plots roll along (and, well, he is writing Action Comics, so fair enough). Whereas, Taylor seems to prefer to build to one, big battle at the end with maybe only one or two significant fights in between. Though, I should point out that when fists do fly in Taylor’s Jon Kent stories then they tend to end with something significant happening. Last time around, Ultraman died and I completely no-sold that in my reaction to the issue. In hindsight, though, that was a pretty significant character death, so… apologies Ultraman!

Looking forward to getting caught up on that once it hits HBO Max which I assume will be this summer.

Heck, man, that’s all I do. Don’t sweat it.

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If I had a dollar for each time…

Thank you :pray:. Drew a little smile on my face :slightly_smiling_face:.

Agreed. Tom Taylor loves to build up to shock & awe moments. PKJ likes to use action frequently to service the story or character.

Don’t forget that Williamson’s and Priest’s books have also both been quite a treat when it comes to action and spectacle.

If I remember correctly, you no sold it because we didn’t see enough interaction between the two. I know I wouldn’t have minded Jon handing him his ass after a few choice words. Come to think of it, it would have been nice to see Clark do that, but that’s not the story they decided to tell.

This season is different. We’re more than half way through and so far it’s more drama and less action than the previous two seasons, but not in a bad way. I won’t spoil the big thing we didn’t know going into the season, but I will say two words: Clark helpless. I’m curious to see your take on it.

Thank you. It’s been a fun exchange :slightly_smiling_face:.

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:thinking:
de-ageing tech is expensive

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raises an eyebrow in a comically overdone fashion

Just how would you know that, hmm?

You’ve been de-aging yourself again, haven’t you?

turns and looks at himself in the mirror

Say, for a cool fiver, could I borrow you de-ager?

Please, mister? I’ll take real good care of it, honest!

“Moving on.”

So this talk of Loeb and early '00s Superman got me to re-read the Y2K arc.

I know the era its from isn’t @CaptainYesterday’s cup of tea, but has anyone else read Y2K?

Since it came up earlier, Superman Adventures is indeed a masterwork, as its the absolute best DCAU tie-in series and a great title on its own merits.

Some would discount Superman Adventures as “kid’s stuff” and those who would are wrong, as its a great title for anyone.

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worlds finest 14 was okay I didn’t like it as much as the first 6 issues of marks run because
superman and batman were not together much and thats what I’m here for

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My best buddy and I have a great dynamic.

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I didn’t see mention of this in recent posts here, so here we go:

I love that PG is getting a new solo gig, and that Fire and Ice will be back in starring prominence as well.

Between Hawkgirl, Wonder Woman and now Power Girl and Fire & Ice: Welcome to Smallville, I like how things are shaping up with female-led titles in Dawn of DC. I hope more are on tap, because the more, the merrier.

Lastly, the one thing I’m curious about is, will F&I be an ongoing or a mini? The press release doesn’t specify, but I get the feeling it’ll be a mini.

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Yeah I saw that. Not sure how I feel about the Power Girl series. Aside from the art, I didn’t enjoy the backup in Action Comics. PG’s new power was meh, her personality was not very likable (lots of complaining, that one), and the new character was just… there. The “sitting on the couch” setting was especially odd. Then again, it was but a short story; maybe the main series will be better. They do mention something about her saving her newfound family, which I presume is Clark & Co, and that I find very intriguing. Will probably support despite my misgivings about the backup.

Fire & Ice… I’m only familiar with them from the Death of Superman comic and the Justice League Unlimited cartoon. Will probably check that out, because I think the characters are cool, and because of the Smallville setting.

The variant cover art in that article is :ok_hand:.

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As an ardent fan of PG, I’m down for it. Especially since, like you, I wasn’t that big of a fan of her turn in Action and feels she could use a better Dawn pedestal to soar from.

My favorite solo PG series is the ongoing that ran from '09-'11. While I doubt the new series will be anything like that (nor should it, as it should do its own thing), if it can be a “Power Girl is a wonderful character and here’s why.” showcase of Paige, I’ll be happy.

You’d probably like them in Jurgen’s run on Justice League America (pre-DOS, that is), which can be read on Ultra in-full through these two tip-top tomes:

Me likey Jonboy Meyers’ variant for Power Girl #1:

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Very very pretty :star_struck:

Thanks for the JL recommendations. Will definitely check them out at some point.

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Oh, yeah. Karen/Paige is always a badass, and JBM excels at making her even more of a badass.

“No prob, Bob.”

Might want to check out Justice League: Generation Lost at some point too, since a certain upcoming DC movie star is in it. :blue_square:

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I mentioned it in passing a few weeks ago, but did not really focus on it or Fire & Ice’s inclusion. Definitely looking forward to it!

Read all of Giffen & DeMatteis’ Justice League, @moro! All of it! It’s so good…

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Robin: Do I mean nothing to you?

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She is my daughter, not my buddy.

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D’oh! Apologies for the duplication.

Seconded.

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Awkward

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No worries! It was a very quick mention before I reacted to the Steel back-up in AC. Easy to miss/forget…

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The might of Superman, as captured by John Byrne, Terry Austin, and Tom Ziuko! From Superman 3 (vol. 2).

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