Meta Madhouse Throwdown on Themyscira Discussion and Debates

ok Terra and Rose fight would probably be one trying to convince the other tat slade is using her and hopefully ends with them both beating up slade

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Mera is under-utilized. I went with Mera because fire couldn’t take out Mera drowning you in a water sphere. Thinks about this sentence… this IS a madhouse…

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  • Faora over Baud. I honestly had to look up Baud, so if she’s got some super fantastic Kryptonian-canceling power, or secret ability to warp in a red sun, maybe there’s a different outcome, but it sounds like other than phasing, she doesn’t hold much of a chance? Once hit, Faora wins.
  • Blackfire over Knockout. I love my Knockout as much as anyone who’s ever touched a Gail Simone book, but psychotic Tamaranian warrior trumps recovering (resurrected) Fury here.
  • Enchantress over The Wall. I know, I know, I know: bomb in her brain. But we’ve seen that when she needs to, Enchantress can exist in multiple places and in non-corporeal states. Waller can kill June Moon, but Enchantress still wins.
  • Circe over Emerald Empress. This right here is where “what version” plays the most relevance. Unless I missed something since Witching Hour, Circe is still IN SOLE POSESSESSION OF ALL OF HECATE’S POWERS. One-fifth of this is enough for Circe to best any other magic wielder in this bracket (without interference from otherworldly allies), and leaves her at god level powers against all other comers.
  • Lashina over Stomper - with Fury on Fury violence, I defer to the assumption (I don’t think it’s ever been overtly established?) that leadership is granted by battle, so Lashina has already defeated Stomper at least once.
  • Ursa over Maxima - this is assuming we’re talking about the current, younger Maxima, of course. The elder, classic Maxima required a Kryptonian, a neo-Kryptonian, and the younger Maxima to be taken down, and might go the other way. (Though I’m realizing now that this is the villain side and maybe I should have assumed the elder…?)
  • Superwoman over Cyclone - here I think I correctly assumed the Earth-3 Lois Lane and not the Earth Prime Lana Lang Superwoman. (And Cyclone’s inclusion on the villain side has me puzzled - is there another Cyclone besides Maxine Hunkel?!) Unless there’s a secret Cyclone, though, I’ve got to give it to Lois - Amazon (sometimes with heat vision) beats wind powers.
  • Ravager over Terra - I’m putting this one down the mental stability. Terra might be able to overpower Ravager in a rage, but Rose is the more strategic, agile, and ruthless of the two. It might take a while if Terra buries her under an avalanche, but I have faith that Rose will recover and end her. Terra is good at dying.
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So Mary Marvel lost? But then won? But still lost?

…I’m lost… :pleading_face:

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So an Olympian Overide (only one use per bracket.) The patron goddess ask Hera to override the result. Hera flips a coin yo decide whether or not to grant the override. In Mary’s case it came up tails and the override was not granted, so the vote stands and Raven advances.
(In the case of Black Canary vs Big Barda, the coin came up heads and the override was allowed and Barda advanced.)

Does that clear things up?

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:thinking:
:pleading_face:

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That makes sense. Was a bit confused why Mary overrode but lost :sweat_smile:

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FvB: F wins
Don’t know much about B but can’t bet wrong against a kryptonian.

BFvKO: BF wins
Just feel the tamarainian skill set and ruthlessness gives her the win.

EvWall: E wins
Wall always has a plan but with the bomb enchantress can destroy her.

EEvCirce: Circe wins
Don’t bet against magic.

Lash v Stomp: Lash. I feel she can out maneuver Stomp’s power.

Max v Urs: Ursa
See the first match up.

Cyc v SW: SW wins.
I think it’ll take more than wind to stop her.

TvRose: Rose
Rose. A had fought battle and Terra is very powerful but lacks control being her weakness.

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faora wins she’s kryptonian
knockout over blackfire because new god and I like knockout more
waller cause its well waller, she’s like female batman with less morals
circe wins- all she has to do is take out the eye, also cicre goes toe-to toes with Wonder woman
lashina- leader of furies is most skilled/dangerous
maxima- Maxima could go toe to toe superman Ursa needs help to fight Superman
superwoman over cyclone, look cyclone is awesome but she doesn’t have much of a chance
rose hopefully followed by both getting therapy from trauma due to deathstroke

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First round for Granny’s Good Girls voting end tonight at 11:00 pacific. If you haven’t voted tonight’s the time.

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Okay… the Femme Fatales bracket. This might have been the hardest for me, but throwing a sorceress in an otherwise mostly-brawler room is a bit unfair.

  • Jinx over Star Sapphire - As with Zatanna v Green Lantern, Enchantress v Waller, and Circe v Emerald Empress, magic has the advantage over powerful rings (and neck bombs) every time. If Carol can move the fight off of Earth, Jinx is toast, but precognition and the ability to remove her ring with a strong breeze prevent that first move.
  • Harley beats Magpie - what does Magpie bring to the table? Besides the ability to catch a giant mallet with her face? She’s not going to trick Harley here. She’s going to get Chris Tucker mocking her face.
  • Poison Ivy beats Alice - again, Alice has nothing to bring here. Her power lies in the ability to coerce and manipulate people. A secret cult doesn’t help you in a one on one fight against a woman who can bind you with foliage. Maybe she throws in some giant mushrooms to for flair and distraction.
  • Silver Banshee over Giganta - so, I thought this one was interesting. In theory, normal sized Doris can probably outsmart Siobhan … but to what end? Neither can significantly hurt the other in a fist fight, and if Doris sizes up for defense, it doesn’t help much at all. Her identity is not secret; this comes down to a sonic scream, and a potentially very hard fall.
  • Huntress beats Talia – yeah, I think this is probably opposite of how most will vote, but Talia’s ruthlessness is more of a Lex Luthor cunning. She’s a good fighter, but not a great fighter, and even then, focuses on the close quarters. Meanwhile, Helena (either flavor, but I’m thinking Bertinelli) has both close quarters skills, ranged skills, and now Spyral tech. As with Alice, if she can’t call in her army, Talia goes down.
  • Shiva over Catwoman - Selina is a decent fighter, but is mostly about evasion. She might be able to drag the fight on, maybe even get a sword out of Sandra’s hand, but that won’t work for her twice. The world’s deadliest assassin will triumph in the end.
  • Livewire beats Plastique - quickly. Likely off-panel, where Plastique usually loses. There might be some explosions, but Livewire doesn’t need to be human when that happens.
  • Killer Frost beats Cheshire - Cheshire is awesome, but relies too heavily on poisons, which require contact, and close quarters contact. Sure, she’s good with throwing knives, but any version of Killer Frost can keep her at bay and lower the temperature to the point where Jade can’t fight. She’s deadly and agile, but in the end she’s still a human in an uninsulated outfit in what’s bound to be sub-arctic temps pretty quick.
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Interesting… No Olympian Override for Granny’s Good Girls? :thinking:

Unless… It will be later in the round… :eyes: :fearful: :sweat_smile:

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Yep. No Olympian Override is GGG round 1. The character that has it advanced be the vote, so no reason for it to activate. Might it come up in later rounds. Who knows?

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The only reason I chose Lady Shiva over Catwoman is because Lady Shiva survived through most of the DCeased comics, while Catwoman died almost immediately.

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jinx beats star saphire magic over ring
harley beats magpie cause when popularity, two Harley survived Joker she can do anything
Poison Ivy wins- last I checks alice had no powers, Ivy has lots of powers
silver banshee wins-can’t remember ever seeing giganta as more than one off threat also banshee has magic
hunteress beats Talia-hunteress survived one on one fight with Shiva and has been trained by black canary
shiva beats Catwoman, come on its Shiva barring extiuationg circumstances always assumed shiva wins fist fight
livewire ove plastique electricity over explosions
killer frost beats Cheshire she would have to get close enough to poison her

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Actually… Just wondering what Mr. Le Clear’s reasoning for the advancement, and perhaps if said participant keeps advancing without activating it, maybe after the tournament if it’s possible if we all could know it? :thinking: :sunglasses: :+1:

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StarSaph v Jinx: Jinx wins.
Her bad luck will make that ring useless. :sweat_smile:

HQ v Mag: HQ wins
HQ. She’s just a better fighter.

Ivy v Alice: Ivy wins
The powers give her the win.

SB v Gig: SB wins
Gig is big but you the bigger they are and such. And her ears are bigger making them easy targets for the scream.

H v Tal: Tal wins
Daughter of Ra’s and definitely more of a skilled fighter.

LS v Cat: LS Wins
One of it not the Best martial artist in DC

Plas v LW: LW wins.
Electricity can spark her explosives. So LW gets it.

KF v Ches: KF
Hard fight but KF is more powerful than she knows so I’d say she can get it.

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Yes, if neither of the two Olympian Overrides occur, when we get to the final four, they will be revealed. OOs only apply during individual bracket contests. Once we get down to the Final Four, there are no Olympian Overrides.

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Star Sapphire over Jinx.
Not all magic is created equal. Jinx magical powers are: the ability to command elements such as air, the manipulation of magical energy that she can manifest as offensive force bolts and green flame, the ability to dissolve matter, and creation of ground tremors. Against many combatants this is a hefty power set, against a ring user, not so much. Ground tremors and element control isn’t effective against a ring that allows the user to fly in the vacuum of space. Force bolts and flame are also lowly effectual against a ring or easy for it to shield against. Rings create energy constructs, not material. So Jinx can’t simply devolve matter she is attacked by. While Jinx could go deep in this bracket, Star Sapphire is a bad matchup for Jinx and Carol moves on.

Harley over Magpie

Ivy over Alice

Giganta over Silver Banshee. Her increase in size can absorb much of SB attacks and she can swat Banshee like a loud gnat. In this match up, size matters.

Huntress over Talia. Both are very deadly and ruthless, but crossbow gives Helena the advantage.

Shiva over Catwoman. Shiva!s sword skills are enough to trim Selina’s claws. Not to mention that Shiva is one of the best martial artists in all of DC lore.

I’m going with the upset here with Plastique over Livewire. LW likes to monologue and has an ego bigger than her power set. Livewire is going into this match thinking it’s in the bag only to find out BOOM she been blasted into the locker room as the loser.

Killer Frost over Cheshire.

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Couldn’t have said it better myself, though I differed on Huntress v Talia, I just think Talia’s training is greater than Huntress, even with the crossbow. Also, I voted Livewire, but I like your reasoning here.

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