Is anyone else disappointed in how little of Cassandra Cain there is in media? I mean, she lead her own batgirl series for 10 years, and then just got disowned by the brand. She may have showed up for a minute in Young Justice but she deserves much more than that, being DCs first leading asian hero. Why is she not being utilized in any tv shows or movies, or even really in the comics?
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I AM disappointed! Sheâs one of the best original characters DCâs produced in the last 30 years.
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Wait, sheâs not gonna be Batwoman? Sorry didnt watch the trailer. If this is true, thats unbelievably stupid!
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She is going to be in Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn). Sheâs a little younger in it than what sheâs normally portrayed, but it might give her some buzz.
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WTF ??
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Cassandra Cain is in the upcoming Harley Quinn/Birds of Prey movie. Cass left the Batgirl role and became Black Bat prior to Flashpoint/new52 (Steph became Batgirl). Post-Flashpoint, Cass is Orphan. Sheâs shown up in a number of Bat related books, and had more than a guest appearance role in Batman and Robin Eternal, Detective Comics, and Batman and the Outsiders (upcoming series, I think). She is in the new season of Young Justice as mentioned, but the cast is very large, so a lot of non-core characters get little screen time.
@DCComicsCrisis Batwoman is Kate Kane, a completely different character.
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Batman & The Outsiders actually came out a few weeks ago!
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Ya I heard about birds of prey, and it looks like a very different take. So hopefully it goes well.
I tend to think that Cass gets overlooked because certain parties in power at DC donât care about her, donât know what to do with her, so they do incredibly stupid things like cancel her title, even though it wasnât doing much poorer than Robin or Nightwing, or turn her evil, or let her be reinvented by a fan-fiction writer with, apparently, poor editing. Her Batgirl title was within the Top 10 selling books after it came out, when DC had about 90 or so titles going. She can be great when written well, but only passable withâcertainâwriters. Additionally, those same âcertain partiesâ would rather put all their focus on certain characters. Thatâs why they brought Babs back as Batgirl.
While the past couple DC films have been actually good, that doesnât guarantee âHarley Quinn featuring the Birds of Preyâ is going to do this character justice. If I got confirmation they were ignoring everything Tynion established, then Iâd feel better (because Tynion did a terrible job with Cass during the Eternal series, among other characters). Iâve been so routinely disappointed by DC these past several years, I canât get my hopes up about what they âhave plannedâ, especially where Cassandra is concerned. I have more faith in Young Justice, because Greg Weisman knows how to tell a story. The only solace I can take is that so far, YJ Orphanâs origins havenât been revealed, and thereâs a way to do better than the comics that name comes from, but thereâs always a chance they never address it in the second half of the season.
Iâm at a point where theyâve screwed up so obviously and witlessly, I can only have faith in her presentation if I were personally involved. Not that thatâs likely to happen any time soon, but thatâs how I feel.
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Many of the characters from that time period have been shunted aside and ignored, so itâs not just her. Her treatment has been especially bad, though. The current DC leadership also has a strong âBabs is the one true Batgirl, thou shalt have no other Batgirls before herâ thing going on, and that one female character is all that they need. They just donât care about her. Itâs a shame.
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@J3D28F.17202 Right? It was so weird to see people complain that Flashpoint detractors âwant the same stuff over and overâ, when we have DCâs higher-ups literally regress things for an older character. Not the original-originals of course, because they probably werenât the title holders when said higher-ups were buying comics. Perhaps another factor was the fact that the likes of Babs, Hal, and Barry were featured in external media for a while, thanks to Super-Friends and various Batman-centric cartoons.
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She is going to be in birds of prey
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Iâm very disappointed at the lack of Cassandra Cain in the DC Universe. Nothing against Barbara Gordon (I really love her character) but Cassandra Cain as Batgirl was one of my favorite titles.
Sheâs a powerful character and while I know the âpowers that beâ have put her thru some changes⌠there is no reason that her early history (PRE-Flashpoint, Crisis etc.) canât combine with her more recent history (Batman Eternal etc.) ⌠and make her great again. There is so much potential there!
Just a thought⌠Kate Cain may be great as Batwoman⌠but wouldnât it have BEEN BETTER for Barbara Gordon to have moved on and become Batwoman (much like Dick Grayson moved on to become Nightwing) and let Cassandra Cain be Batgirl. IT WOULD HAVE MADE A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE and been more logical⌠and been more FUN! (LET Kate Cain become âOrphanâ or whatever) Geez.
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@comicscrisis why would Cass be batwoman? Lol youâre thinking of kate kane.
Cassandra is tough to adapt to TV or movies because she rarely speaks and wears a full body costume. Sheâs a character tailor-made for sequential art. If she is in the BoP movie Iâd bet she ditches the mask.
@shaminja.warrior1 Thereâs a lot in the way of merging her pre-Flashpoint origins with those Tynion established in the Eternal books. Namely, she canât both be a strong character with her own life, a Dad that cared, and worked to build relationships, and the Eternal version where her origins were more about Harper Row for some unholy reason, her Dad hated her guts until it was time for a lazy attempt at redemption, and she was just instantly friends with people, but mostly Harper because sheâs Harper and therefore âperfectâ. My preference is this, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaCuGR7w7ZY
That being said, there is a way to make the Eternal stories still âcountâ, to some degree, with Cass and Steph maintaining the good versions of their origins. Basically, it means that Harper isnât involved, at all (no loss there), and that the events happen long after the girls are established heroes. Certain things play out differently, the details of which I have ideas for but wonât post right now. The long and the short of it is, a lot of what Tynion established would be either removed or heavily altered to keep these characters consistent to pre-Flashpoint standards, instead of infantilized for Row, a character that adds nothing to the mythos. Tynion had ample opportunity to make such repairs, given Rebirth, but I wouldnât trust him to do so, since the most he did was give an unsatisfying tease at the end of his 'Tec run, but keep everything he established intact. Yet he ditched Tim Drakeâs New52 origins. Makes you think, doesnât it?
As for her being Batgirl, I loved her run, too, and sheâs my favorite character to hold the mantel (though I enjoyed Stephâs tenure). But sheâd be fine as Black Bat or another identity. I remember when her solo title ended and she gave up being B-girl, I was bummed, but I wouldâve followed the character regardless of what she called herself. But then they decided to turn her evil, and, well, Iâve already covered that on my show, recently. They couldâve returned Barbara to Batgirl, and kept Cass and Steph with their development and histories; it couldâve been done so well. Unfortunately, they chose a poorly executed reboot, with no initial intention of ever printing the non-Babs characters ever again. DC is not run by smart people.
@Coco_Loco I donât think Cass would be hard to adapt with a good enough writer and a capable actress. Superhero shows and movies have actors in-costume but without masks for one reason or another all the time. Being mute would probably mean the actress might not get paid as much as for a speaking role, Iâm not sure, but you just need the right talent involved. Unfortunately, Iâm not ready to believe âBirds of Prey featuring Harley Quinnâ will do her justice, and I shudder to think what the CW would do to her, given how lackluster many of their DC shows have been the last couple of years, with the exception of Black Lightning.
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Exactly
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Barbara Gordon is and always will be Batgirl. She is the definitive Batgirl, like Bruce Wayne is the definitive Batman.
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@Merriman Thatâs your opinion I prefer both Cass and Stephanie to Barbara simply because there the batgirls in the comics I tend to read (90s to late 2000s)
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Then you should check out the Bronze Age Batgirl and the Batman from the 60âs its so good.