I mean, to be fair, Bruce DOES have a history of being a relatively terrible partner so maybe that tracks.
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Nope. Maybe in Executive DJ Khalid’s mind that doesn’t happen, but as far as I’m concerned, he absolutely does do that.
I mean, depending on the context or shot placement I could MAYBE see why there might be some trebutation – I mean, even the scenes with Harley and Ivy in the second season weren’t very explicit – but surely they could communicate that without going too explicit.
Hell, The Road to El Dorado implies it and that was a kids movie from…2000? That was 21 years ago?! Sheesh, I’m getting old!
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Au contraire, I think most fans of villain/anti-hero characters acknowledge that their favorite characters have anti-moral or morally ambiguous traits, and we’re not saying they’re always or often good people. I think Bruce is essentially a good person but there is no doubt that he is written in a negative way by some writers. I think it’s inexplicable that DC has decided it would damage their sales to depict him giving oral sex. I’ve certainly never heard of it being unmanly or whatever their argument is. It’s not Bruce’s fault when he gets a bad writer but for the parent company to come out and make this blanket statement is an eyebrow-raiser for me.
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That’s not what they said at all.
It’s also worth noting that an awful lot of revolutionaries who did reasonable amounts of good for the world were awful to their partners and families and just generally like. Bad friends. Because their cause comes before them or anybody they care about to them. Batman is a hero, but he’s a persona and a symbol, and only one part of who Bruce Wayne on a whole is. And Bruce Wayne as a partner, as a father, whilst he tries, has a history of being, for all his efforts, not the best at it- in part because in his mind, often Bruce Wayne is the mask, not the Bat. This is a failing he’s admitted himself quite a few times.
People like Harley, however, whilst still having depth, have cast off the separation between persona and person and have become fully who they are. Is that person necessarily good and pure? Of course not, but people rarely are. Now, I cannot speak for them, but for myself- harley’s current arc, and her appearances in man-bat speak to me deeply. To her, being Harley Quinn in the truest sense is about rejecting any type of societal or other expectation of her and living to her true self. She has cast off the Joker, she’s cast off the rules society has set for her- and now she’s trying her hardest to do good, whilst accepting that forgiveness and renewed connection with some people might not be possible. She’s not a “good” person, but she’s a believable one, and she’s now trying her hardest to be her best self. That’s more enjoyable to me than mister broody millionaire who doesn’t know how to communicate emotions
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From the article…
“It’s incredibly gratifying and free to be using characters that are considered villains because you just have so much more leeway,” he said. “A perfect example of that is in this third season of ‘Harley’ [when] we had a moment where Batman was going down on Catwoman. And DC was like, ‘You can’t do that. You absolutely cannot do that.’ They’re like, ‘Heroes don’t do that.’ So, we said, ‘Are you saying heroes are just selfish lovers?’ They were like, ‘No, it’s that we sell consumer toys for heroes. It’s hard to sell a toy if Batman is also going down on someone.’”
Maybe they need to expand their “toy” market… 
Also, the heroes don’t do that argument. Does that mean if they wrote the scene with Harley and Ivy it’d be passable? 
TV-MA my friends, it’s there for a reason.
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It’s not an excuse but watching your parents get murdered during a strong arm robbery is gonna screw you up. Not an excuse, just something to consider.
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I’m fully aware.
It was largely a joke, as Bruce is still within my top 25 DC characters list.
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Hey DetectiveChimp! It’s been a min! 
Hope you’ve been well!
Anyway—I’m afraid I’m not sure what you’re saying or, rather, what it has to do w/ creators being censored? 
I guess joking about it didn’t translate for you, but that’s the actual subject, since the characters aren’t real—what they represent is though. And as a female consumer, I view this as partially a feminist topic.
@iJest & @gwynerso clarified nicely, but I’ll add: I don’t see anything wrong w/ Harley having a fan base, and many people here, like you, are fans of many characters…including Batman. 
And Superman. Harley has a role just like everyone else, no? 
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Right? I’m not sure I understand why violence is all right, but intimacy is not.
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I am completely sorry if my comment offended you in any way. All I was trying to say is that I feel like Bruce is a good person. If you like Harley then do so happily, I just wanted to state my opinion that if Harley is a genuine good person, Bruce should definitely also fit those standards. Again sorry if this comes across as rude in any way.
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@TheRealDetectiveChimp Oh! No offense taken! Always feel free to share your thoughts or get clarification—that’s one of the great things about this place! 
I was worried you were offended, and certainly didn’t intend for things to sound like Bats was a horrible person all together. Bad partner is fair game, imo, since it’s subjective and varied. I think the excuse the suits gave warrants a bit of mockery too, since we’re talking about an adult show and two characters that have been together for decades (and decades) 
And sassy is kinda part of the Crews 
DNA 
Anyway, from me to you:
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Agreed.
DC didn’t have a problem with showing Batman and Catwoman fiercely getting into it in this comic in the fall of 2011. A comic which was part of a major publishing initiative aimed at refreshing the DC Universe line, while also bringing in new readers.
Said comic was also sold at Toys R Us, right next to DC toys aimed at kids.
So…if DC didn’t bat (pun not intended initially, but its there now, so why not?) an eye over that, then why do they give a fiddler’s **** about it being in an animated TV show aimed at adults?
Silly. Just silly.
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So uh, did the Crew see Zack Snyder’s latest tweet that just blew up? Probably can’t post it here…
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Wait what???
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lol yes. Hooray for 
Bat/Cat
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Just go to Snyder’s Twitter!
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Oh man. I don’t wanna break my never even seen Twitter or Facebook record… I’ve gone this long. But, I love everything involved. BOP 
Snyder . I might have to get my DC buddy to send me the news. Ty for the heads up. I’ll figure it out eventually. Always do…
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