DC History Club: Roy Thomas: His DC Comics, Discussions, Polls, Quiz August 1 - 15 2020

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Introduction

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Hi
@TurokSonofStone1950
Here

The DC Histoty Club Poll for August resulted in a tie between John Byrne and Roy Thomas.

As a result I will spend the next two weeks discussing some of the DC work done by Roy Thomas

While @msgtv will spend the other two weeks in the month on John Byrne, concentrating on his work on Superman and Wonder.Woman.

I selected

All Star Squadron
Shazam The New Beginning

As my topics

Roy Thomas’s major series during his time at DC were

All Star Squadron

Arak, Son of Thunder

Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew!

Infinity Inc

Shazam The New Beginning

Young All-Stars

Arak and the main Captain Carrot title are not currently in our Comic Book Library

Infinity Inc has been a major topic in the JSA Book.Club. to join that club

Young All Stars was a change in title and direction for All Stat Squadron, concentrating on the young heroes who replaced Superman Batman Wonder.Woman and Aquaman as required by Crisis of Infinite Earth which resulted in the original 1940s versions of these characters never having existed.

Finally the JSA Book.Club recently looked at issue 1 to 6 of All Star Squadron. Please visit that topic to see what members of that club thought of some of the same issues we will be reading

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Polls

  1. Favorite characters in issues 1 to 3. Pick 3
  • Atom
  • Danette Reilly (Firebrand)
  • Dr Mid-Nite
  • Hawkman
  • Liberty Belle
  • Jonny Quick
  • Phantom Lady
  • Plastic Man
  • Robotman
  • Shinning Knight

0 voters

  1. Favorite Era for the JSA
  • 1940s 1950e
  • 1960s 1970s
  • 1980s 1990s
  • 2090s 2010s
  • Current Day

0 voters

  1. Pick 4 Billy Batson ans Shazam should be
  • A Young Boy
  • A tennager
  • Two different personalities
  • Onre. A boy in an adult body
  • Mostly work alone
  • Mainly with Marvel Family
  • Light whimisical tone
  • Darker More Realistic

0 voters

  1. After Crixis on Infinote Earths Superman Batman Robin Wonder Woman Aquaman Green Arrow
    No longer cxisted in the 1940s

Approach Roy Thomas should have taken in All.Star Squadron

  • Still used characters in a pocket universre
  • Not used these characters again
  • Used only Wonder Woman as Quern Hipolyta like John Bryne did
  • Create new characters to replace them like in Young All Stars

0 voters

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Quiz

  1. The date in hisrorry thar All Star Squadron starts at
  • FDR Inauguration
  • First day 0f 1939 World Fair
  • Attack on Pearl Harbor
  • Lnnding on Normandy.D Day

0 voters

  1. The All Sar Squadron did not end World War II in issue 4 because
  • Axis had magic items that caused heroes to turn against Allies
  • Needed for the Homefront
  • Took years to defeat in actual history
  • Would have mocked actual soldiers dying in real wae
  • All of the above

0 voters

  1. The Earth that the Quality super heroes called the Freedom Fighters went to was called
  • Nazis Land
  • Fourth Reich
  • Earth N
  • Earth X

0 voters

  1. DC editor Julius Schwartz helped early comic book fandom by
  • Putting full addresses in.the letter colums
  • Introducing Roy Thomas to Gardner Fox
  • Tellinh Jerry Bails about science fiction fanzined
  • Including ‘"JerryThomas’ in Justice League of America 16
  • All of the above

0 voters

  1. The name of the fanzine Roy Thomad and Jerry Bails worked on.was called
  • Alter Ego
  • All in Color for a Dime
  • The Comic Reader
  • Comic Buyers Guide

0 voters

  1. The First comic book editor Roy Thomas worked for was
  • Julius Schwartz
  • Stan Lee
  • Mort Weisinger

0 voters

Quiz Answers

1 Attack on Pearl Harbour
2 All of the above
3 Earth X
4 All of the above
5 Alter Ego
6 Mort Weisinger

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Research Wiki

Week 1

Roy Thomas Bio

Wife Co writer Dann Thomas

Fandom

Roy Thomas and Jerry Bails

Jerry Bails

Marvel Years

http://jimshooter.com/2011/07/roy-thomas-saved-marve.html/

Stan Lee Interviews Roy

DC Years

Roy Thomas on All Star Squadron

https://twomorrows.com/alterego/articles/06allstar.html

https://twomorrows.com/alterego/articles/12a-ss.html

Roy Thomas on Justice Society
Infiniry Inc
Crisis
Shazam

All Star Squadron.Issue 4 Pearl Harbor

Earth 2 Stargirl Age of First Dr Mid Niye

Roy Thomas Recent

https://www.milehighcomics.com/interviews/roythomas.html

http://www.heartlandweekend.com/12-things-about-marvel-comic-book-writer-editor-roy-thomas/

Week 2

Crisis on Infinite Earth

Shazam

Video

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Readings

Week 1

All issues are from
All Star Squadron

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/series/-/21d8c37b-99df-4f2c-b64e-c3ed3490faba

Must reads

Issues 1 to 3 introduces the concepts and characters and is a complete story by itself

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/64215965-70b1-4670-8384-06a73973b858

Issue 4 involves the Attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7 1941

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/633d0403-9c94-4e58-ac6e-c06236723cd9

Issues 31 to 35 involves the Quslity.heroes, Earth X and those who will form the group known as the Freedom.Fighters

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/289e5897-b058-4c7a-b658-a9e55da24d3a

Issue 1 is not the start of the story

Justice League of America issue 193 had a 16 page inssrt which leads into issue 1.

The insert is not available in our library but it included in.the Comixology version

The insert is sjmmerized in.Post 09.

Week 2

DC Spotlight: Shazam

https://www.dcuniverse.com/videos/dc-spotlight-shazam/185

1984 Pre Crisis
All Star Squadron 36 37

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/bbfa5764-5ebb-4fd0-8feb-6d359dd8f817

In 1987 Post Crisis
Shazam The New Beginning 1 4
Billy continue the story from Crisis on Infinite Earths and Legends

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/series/-/34a4120d-f416-49d1-a766-49cf08a11759

Assitional material

Article on.Crisis

Interview with Roy Thomas

https://www.dcuniverse.com/news/roy-thomas-crafting-justice-society-creating-infinity-inc-and-re/

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Bibliography

When Roy entered into a three year contracts with DC Comics
He was to weite 100 pages a month.

That is why you see so many titles with a limited number of issues
Written by him

His major series during this time were

All Star Squadron

Arak, Son of Thunder

Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew!

Infinity Inc

Young All-Stars

Our Comic Book Library
Is missing some of Roy’s Major Work

Principally

Justice League of America #193 (All-Star Squadron insert preview),
The All Star Squadron.story starts here
Not in.Issue 1

Arak, Son of Thunder #1-50, Annual #1 (1981-1985)
American Indian in Charlemane’s Court in 800 AD
Sward and Sorcery like his Consn the Barbarian at Marvel

Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew! #1-11, 16, 18 (1982-1983)

Bibliography

Action Comics Weekly #623-626 (1988)

All Star Comics 80-Page Giant #1 (1999)

All-Star Squadron #1-67, Annual #1-3 (1981-1987)

America vs. the Justice Society #1-4 (1985)

Arak, Son of Thunder #1-50, Annual #1 (1981-1985)

Atari Force #1-5 (promo) (1982-1983)

Batman #336-338, 340 (1981)

Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew! #1-11, 16, 18 (1982-1983)

Crimson Avenger #1-4 (1988)

DC Challenge #9, 12 (1986)
DC Comics Presents #31-34, 37, 41, 48-49, Annual #3 (1981-1984)

DC Retroactive: Wonder Woman - The '80s #1 (2011)

DC Special Series #26 (1981)

The Dragonlance Saga GN Vol.1-5 (1987-1991)

Green Lantern #138-139 (1981)

Heroes Against Hunger #1 (1986)

History of the DC Universe HC (text article) (1988)

Infinity, Inc. #1-53, Annual #1-2, Special #1 (1984-1988)

JLA: The Island of Dr. Moreau #1 (2002)

Jonni Thunder a.k.a. Thunderbolt #1-4 (1985)

Justice League of America #193 (All-Star Squadron insert preview), 207-209, 219-220 (1981-1983)

Last Days of the Justice Society Special #1 (1986)

Legion of Super-Heroes vol. 2 #277-283 (1981-1982)

The New Teen Titans #16 (Captain Carrot insert preview) (1982)

The New Teen Titans vol. 2 #38 (1987)

The Ring of the Nibelung #1-4 (1989-1990)

Secret Origins vol. 2 #1, 3, 5-9, 11-13, 15-22, 24-26, 28-31, 42, Annual #1 (1986-1989)

Shazam!: The New Beginning #1-4 (1987)

The Superman Family #207 (1981)

Superman’s Metropolis #1 (1996)

Superman’s Pal Jimmy Olsen #91 (1966)

Superman: War of the Worlds #1 (1998)

Swordquest #1-3 (1982)

The Warlord #48 (Arak, Son of Thunder insert preview) (1981)

Wonder Woman #288-296, 300 (1982-1983)

World’s Finest Comics #271 (1981)

Young All-Stars #1-29, Annual #1 (1987-1989)

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Earth 2

Earth 2 is popular these days because Stargirl resides there and she is trying to create a new JSA

The three other member of the JSA wre created by Roy Thomas in the title
Infinity Inc. They were created as young adults not teenagers though.

Characters appearing in both Stargirl and the All Starv Squadron issues sre the original Dr Mid Nite and Hourman, Shinibg Knight, Solomon Grundy and the Dragon Lord.

All Star Squadron is set in the 1949s while Stargirl iscset in the currnt day.

Is it the same JSA? Well Dr Mid Nite’e goggle says the original version was born in 1914.

Earth 2

Basically Earth 2 is the parallel’, alternate Earth where the original 1940s Golden Age of super heroes resided. The super hero team on Earth 2 was called the Justice Society of America or JSA.

Other Links

If you are interested in delving deeper into the JSA then you may be interested in joining the JSA Book Club.

Recent DC Universe News Article for the JSA

Key Comic Book Issues for Earth 2 and the JSA are covered next

1956 Showcase 4 First Appearance of Barry Allen, the Silver Age Flash. Barty shown reading a 1940s Golden Age Flash comic book, who he believes is a fictional character

The Flash

1961 Flash 123 Flash of Two Worlds Earth 1 Barry.Allen meets the Original Flash Jay Garrick, Earth 2 parallel world introduced. Schwartz Fox Infantino.

Flash 129,has some pages reenacting scenes from All Star Comic’s 57 from 1951, the last All Star Comics unril issue 58 is published in 1976, 25 year later which debuted Power Girl.

Flash 137 ends with JSA coming put of retirement

Justice League of America

Justice League of America 21 2 the JLA and JSA meet in the beginning of yearly crossovers

All Star Comics

Infinity Inc

Stargirl and Earth 2 in comic books

Stargirl was a Justice Society of America member but always lived on the main Earth

The three teenagers at her lunch table are versions of Earth 2 characters created by Roy Thomas for the Infinity Inc series

Infinity, Inc. is a team of young superheroes appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. The team is mostly composed of the children and heirs of the Justice Society of America, making them the Society’s analogue to the Teen Titans, which was originally composed of sidekicks of Justice League members.

Huntrss and Powergirl were members for the first 12 issues

The new younger Dr Mid Nite and Hourman were introduced in Issue 21

The new Wildcat appeared in.issue 34

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Goals of Roy Thomas in Writing All Star Squadron

When DC Comics hired Roy Thomas
They knew he wanted to
Write a JSA comics.

It would always be on Earth 2, apart from the main Earth One

He had a choice in setting

The JSA in the then present day
Which meant the JSA members
Would be in their 60s but very experienced

Or in the 40s
When they would be
In their 20s but inexperienced

He choose the World War II Era

Thomas also decided to concentrate on promising characters who had either been ignored or downplayed rather than the Earth Two counterparts of the main Earth’s heroes.

The All-Star Squadron included not only the members of the Justice Society as it had existed in the pages of the 1940s All-Star Comics, but
numerous other heroes, as well:

not only other extant DC characters of the early ’40s,

but also heroes from the later-acquired Quality Comics line

—plus a couple of brand new heroes
(Female Firebrand, Black Amazing Man and Japenese Tsunami)
retroactively created in the ’80s for gender and ethnic balance.

In other words, Thomas “revealed” that the JSA had actually been part of a much larger umbrella group, the All-Star Squadron, as ordered by FDR…

In some sense
All Star Squadron was more like
The animated Justice League Unlimited show, with scores of members

While the traditional JSA
Was more like the 7 person
Animated Justice League show

The JLU approach was more flexible
And an issue could always concentrate
On a small subset of the larger group

The phrase “retroactive continuity” was used (attributed to a fan) in the letter column in issue #18, of All.Star Squadron which soon became “Retcon”. The series was heavily based around retcons in the positive sense—it often told stories that happened between issues of real Golden Age series, gave characters origins who never had them, and cleared up plot holes and dangling plots from decades ago. It generally avoided the “everything you know is a lie” type of retcon, though there were some minor history changes.

It also gave a decent explanation why the really powerful superheroes didn’t invade the Axis powers to end the war overnight

The Axis had mystical objects that would take mind control of the magical superheroes and those subseptable to magic like Superman who tried entering land under Axis control.

The book was real world historically accurate.

The story begins on December 6 1942, the day before
the Attack on qqPearl Harbor

This was very obvious due to the frequent use of real-world dates and events; eight published years of All-Star Squadron and Young All-Stars took place over a seven-month period in the war.

He also made
The All Squadron stories
Fit within the already established
All Star stories

Issues 1 to 4
Were between
All Star 10 and 11

You can tell
That from the covers on All Star

Dr Mid Nite ia a JSA member since issue 8

Dr Fate is wearing a half helmet

Sandman is not wearing his gas mask and a suit
But the costume created by Simon and Kirby

Wonder Woman is not yet a member

Cover of isdue 9 Sandman wearing a gas mask

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Cover 10 he has a new costume

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Cover 11 is after Pearl Harbor
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Roy Thomas always did his homework on All Star Squadron
and it shows.

The Crisis on Infinite Earths destroyed Earth-2, which now never existed. This was not good for the book, which ended at issue 67 after a series of inventory stories dealing with character origins and a retelling of a classic Superman story in the new retconned Superman-less history. The book was succeeded by Young All-Stars, which replaced the now retconned Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman, went a further 31 issues plus an annual, and is generally considered lower quality than the series itself.

All the above
was better said in a post
To the JSA Book.Club
On the All Star Squadron issuesv1 to 6
By @TheCosmicMoth

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I appreciate the shout-out, @TurokSonOfStone1950! Your post is great and I love what you’re doing here.

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC August 2020 Week 1 Readings

For Week 1

All issues are from
All Star Squadron

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/series/-/21d8c37b-99df-4f2c-b64e-c3ed3490faba

Must reads

Issues 1 to 3 introduces the concepts and characters and is a complete story by itself

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/64215965-70b1-4670-8384-06a73973b858

Issue 4 involves the Attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7 1941

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/633d0403-9c94-4e58-ac6e-c06236723cd9

Issues 31 to 35 involves the Quslity.heroes, Earth X and those who will form the group known as the Freedom.Fighters

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/289e5897-b058-4c7a-b658-a9e55da24d3a

Issue 1 is not the start of the story

Justice League of America issue 193 had a 16 page inssrt which leads into issue 1.

The insert is not available in our library but it included in.the Comixology version

The insert is sjmmerized in.Post 10.

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC' August 2020 JLA 193 16 page Insert

Justice League of America 193 had a 16 page insert which starts the story continued in All Star Squadron 1, where we see flashbacks to that event.

Basically All Star Squadron 1.requies that most of the JSA, Wonder Woman,.Superman, Batman and Robin be easily captured, so that a team of thr remaining JSA members join.with non JSA characters to save the day.

JLA 193 in our library does not contain rhe inserts but the version at Comixology does.

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Summary of story

It begin with with a race among Wonder Woman Flash.and Green Lantern in tribute to the cover of Comic Cavalade 1 for the March of Dimes, a charity organized by FDR to fight polio.

At this time, Flash and Green Lantern were honorary members of the JSA because they had their own books while Wonder Woman was not yet a member

Flash hesitates for a half second and Wonder Woman wins

Afterwards at a picnic at a park the three are attacked by Solomon Grundy.
Grundy knows GL but not visa versa. The first hint of time travel He defeats the three.

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Similarly Sandman is wearing his new Simon and Kirby costume (no more gas mask), Starman and Jonny Thunder are defeated when they investigate a baloon disguised as a pirate ship.

Batman Robin and Superman are also defeated

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But Atom. Hawkman and Dr Mid nite defeat their foe.

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Liberty Belle and Jonny Quick are shown in their civilian clothing covering the.race as news people

Robotman and Plastic Man are only shown in.shadow.

FDR has been trying to contact the JSA for he has received possible bad news

The morning paper is delivered. It is December 7 1941.

The Date of the
Attack on Pearl.Harbor
Which will cause the
US to enter World War Ii.

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC' August 2020 All Star Squadron Issues 1 to 3

Discussion of All Str Squadron Issues one to three

Asside from Roy Thomas being very wordy, did you enjoy reading these issues?

Who were your facorite characters?

I can accept Per Degaton being able to send villains into the past

But airplanes and submarines as well?

And if the Japenesr pilots came from 1947, how is that possible when
Japan had no Air Force in 1947?

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC' August 2020 All Star Squadron Issue 4

This issue shows the horrors of the Attack on Pearl Harbor

It also explains how the most powerful characters were vulnetable to Magic and as a result could not enter near the War Theatre because they would become enrmies of the Allies.

What did you think of this issue?

The super heroes were not allowed to
crush the Japanese Fleet and devastate the Japenese mainline
Because

That did not happen in history. It took almost 4 years for the war to end at the cost of millions of lives

Giving super heroes such an easy win
Would trivialize

The efforts of ordinary soldiers risking or losing their lives in the war

The sacrifices that families were making in the war effort, like women go to work to manufacture military items, rationing and donating and not using many items such ad rubber metals paper and silk

It has been show in comics
That either Superman or Spectre
Could end the war quickly

Before the war, Siegel and Shuster created an article for Look magazine on how Superman would end the war

Similarly
The Spectre exterminated an entire country in 1993’s The Spectre #13, by John Ostrander and Tom Mandrake

In the 1940s

Clark.Kent was made 4F because he inadvertently used his x-ray vision to read the eye chart in another room

https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-49/

All of the JSA enlisted in All Star 11
Except for the Spectre who was a ghost.

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC' August 2020 All Star Squadron Issue 4

This issue shows the horrors of the Attack on Pearl Harbor

It also explains how the most powerful characters were vulnetable to Magic and as so they could not enter near the War Theatre because they would become enrmies of the Allies.

What did you think of this issue?

The super heroes were not allowed to
crush the Japanese Fleet and devastate the Japenese mainline
Because

That did not happen in history. It took almost 4 years for the war to end at the cost of millions of lived

Giving super heroes such an easy win
Would trivialize

The efforts of ordinary soldiers risking or losing their lives in the war

The sacrifices that families wete making in the war effort, like women go to work to manufacture military items, rstioning and donating and not using many items such ad rubner metals paper and silk

It has bern show in comics
That eithet Superman or Spectrr
Could end the war quickly

Before the war, Siegel and Shuster created an article for Look magazine on how Superman would end the war

Similarly
The Spectre exterminated an entire country in 1993’s The Spectre #13, by John Ostrander and Tom Mandrake

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/5ca0687d-15e9-4383-b424-3d7ef63471cc

In the 1940s

Clark.Kent was made 4F because he inadvertently use his x ray vision to read the eye chart in another room

https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-49/

All of the JSA enlisted in All Star 11
Exceotvfor the Spectre who was a ghost.

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In All-Star Squadron #4, I was sad to see what happened to the original Firedbrand (Rod Reilly) as a result of the attack. Having actually read his Golden Age appearances in Police Comics, it was a sad end to a great mystery man’s career.

I really like the idea of using the Holy Grail as the means to keep superheroes out of Japan. The references to The Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail bring out the Medieval lit nerd in me. It was a cool idea and it answered the important question of why the heroes didn’t just end the war.

Thanks for linking that article about Superman being declared 4F due to his x-ray vision! I never knew that, but it’s classic Superman logic!

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DC History Club: Roy Thomas at DC' August 2020 All Star Squadron Issue 31 to 35

In 1973 Comic Book Justice League of America 107 108 Black Condor, Doll Man, Human Bomb, Ray, Phantom Lady, Uncle Sam were on Earth X where Nazis won World War II. Plastic Man and the Blackhawks were dead. All heroes were from Quality Comics Publications By Len Wein and lDick Dillion

In All Star Squadron 31 to 35 Roy Thomas creates a convoluted plot where the Quality Heroes begin on.Earth 2. There is an adventure in Earth X.where the Nazis are wining with one group of heroes including Hourman. Then eventually.a subset of the Quality Heroes go to Earth X where they will be known as The Freedom Fighters

It is ironic that Roy made all this effort and a year or so layer, in Crisis on Infinite Earths, Earth X and Earth 2 would cease to exist.

Our Comic Book Library has many titles on the Freedom Fighters.

Uncle Same Phatom Lady and the Ray are often fan favorites.

Roy shows in rthis arc he can handle a large group of super heroes.

Who wes your favorite charactes in this arc?

I like the beginning where Quality Hero Midnight looks identical to Will Eisner’s Spirit

I wonder about Doll man’s figbting ability. Usually you need a certain.amount of mass to deliver a blow yet Dollman is light enough to fit on a hand without stress. The 60s Atom had weight and size control on his suit so he could make himself light enough to glide but heavy enough to bring down a man.

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Thought this exchange between @dcallstar and @D4RK5TARZ from the message announcing this month was worth bringing over to the thread so no one would miss it.

@dcallstar

I enjoyed so much of what Roy Thomas contributed to the DC mythos throughout the 80s in particular. All Star Squadron was such a great book, and it got me more interested in the earliest years of DC Comics, with its emphasis on the heroes of the World War II era on Earth 2. Roy was the perfect caretaker for these golden-age greats throughout the 80s.

Another book, which I think never got as much credit as it should have, was Jonni Thunder AKA Thunderbolt. This was a modern-day reinvention of the JSA character. Jonni was a female private eye, and this was a different Thunderbolt, as well. The 4-issue mini-series was written by Roy and his wife Dann, and gorgeously illustrated by Dick Giordano.

@D4RK5TARZ
I read this earlier today and wondered how I never heard of it and furthermore how Jonni Thunder never went beyond Infinity Inc. This mini-series took me by complete surprise. The art was magnificent but the writing drew me into Jonni’s world and inside of her head. Each page presented another chance to explore her thoughts as her predicament grew.

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Reading through Thomas’ original stint at Marvel the title that really caught my eye was Conan the Barbarian. I had no idea he was such an important writer for the character and from his work in All-Star I think it would be a perfect fit. Where at times I find All-Star a little over-written I think that would be perfect for Conan. DC should have offered Thomas Warlord.

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Roy Thomas created a sword and sorcery title called Arak Son Thunder

Here are two links

http://kingsofthenight0.tripod.com/arak.htm

Something I think is hilarious
Is I googled Roy Thomas Arak interview
And got

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You’ve made Google. You’re famous.

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