The Future of the DCEU (2022)

A somewhat interesting article…

David Zaslav announced that Warner Bros. Discovery is looking to adopt a Marvel-style 10-year plan for DC. Essentially, the studio wants a clearly defined road map in order to build a successful cinematic universe. However, it won’t work.

To put it simply, Marvel succeeded because it was the trendsetter, not hopelessly chasing someone else’s success. There is a reason why in the wake of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, so many other franchises have risen and fallen. All the other studios want what Marvel has without understanding how they got it. And the funny thing is that DC has already tried to chase Marvel’s success, and it backfired spectacularly.

Fans forget that Man of Steel was never meant to kickstart a DC cinematic universe – it was supposed to be a new take on Superman, presented by a director with unique sensibilities. But the success of The Avengers in 2012 meant Warner Bros essentially retrofitted the film to be the launchpad for the DC Extended Universe. Instead of a Man of Steel standalone sequel, this directly led to a Batman V. Superman film that didn’t resonate with audiences and a Justice League film that was hacked to pieces and crashed at the box office.

That was my only real concern, that of “chasing someone else’s success.”

Of course, I assume David Zaslav and his team are going to do things differently, yet still want to be successful, naturally.

The only question, obviously, is how.

And I know Moro finds it annoying when I say it – but that’s why I say I guess they’re going to give it another try… and then they’ll just go back to doing Batman. :smiling_face:

But yeah, when they show us the plan, in a year or so from now, or whenever… when we see the road map, then we’ll have a better sense and better gauge on things.

And the tragic aspect of this whole endeavor is that DC eventually found success in not doing for the Marvel formula. DC started working when it stopped chasing Marvel. Sure, some of its films take place in the DCEU, but the studio became so loose creatively it didn’t matter. Directors had freedom, and for the most part, DC films have flourished. Shazam! and The Batman are beloved takes on their respective characters, while Aquaman and Joker both grossed over $1 billion.

The DCEU is a mess with no direction, but that isn’t what’s important. The studio focused on telling great stories and made incredible film after incredible film. DC thrived by letting directors do whatever they wanted – even Zack Snyder’s Justice League got a shot at redemption. DC is not Marvel, and introducing a 10-year plan to play catch-up may ruin things.

And that’s the trick with a connected universe.

When you let the directors do their own thing, you can get some pretty great stuff out of it. But that’s usually because they bring their own style – visual and the way that they tell the story, etc. And that own personal style of one director probably won’t mesh all that well with the personal style of another director.

I believe Kevin Fiege runs the Marvel studio almost like a television showrunner.

Like Law & Order for instance: it really doesn’t matter who the director is of each individual episode, because it’s all pretty much indistinguishable. And that’s because the director’s aren’t putting their own personal touch on the episodes for the most part. No, they’re following the guidance of what the showrunner wants (or the executive producer).

In TV, the executive producer or showrunner is the boss. And the directors do what they say… for the most part.

In the movies, the director is the boss, and they call the shots.

But not really at Marvel though, I guess – well, they do, after they clear it with Kevin Fiege. (And I’m kidding… probably.) :smiling_face:

And so I guess DC would have to have a “showrunner” for their movies, and would have to kind of have them be kind of all the same “style” or whatever.

Because of course you can’t really fit Todd Phillips’ Joker in with David Sandberg’s Shazam. Those two things don’t really work together.

Marvel just hit it big with what they were doing. And you have to tip your hat to that and say you guys killed it.

And so yeah… good luck to David Zaslav.

And of course I don’t believe Warner Bros. are going to stop doing the “director-led” super-hero movies. I assume they’re going to do both side by side. And I guess Joker: Folie à Deux is an example of that.

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Yeah, still annoying… like the circles we’ve been going round & round in this thread, and me coming back for more repeatedly :joy:.

My guess is as good as yours as to “how they’re going to do it”. I remember reading somewhere years ago that the “plan” at the time was for Snyder to make his 4 or 5 movies, and then other creators would come in and make their solo movies for the heroes that were loosely based on what came before, but not as connected as Marvel. You can kinda see the seed of that plan in Aquaman and Wonder Woman. Will they continue with it? Who knows.

Honestly, I’m just tired of speculating. I know they’re giving me stuff I like right now. Gonna enjoy it… and hopefully they give me more of what I enjoy in the future.

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For the immediate future I imagine that Black Adam will do well enough and Shazam 2 will probably make a bit more money then the first one, Aquaman 2 will probably do well but The Flash (if it even comes out) might not do so hot. Then Blue Beetle should at least break even.

The Batman 2 & The Joker 2 are probably safe bets to make alot of $$$, but after that I don’t think they really have a plan despite what they say, so probably rough waters after 2024.

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@moro

Yeah, still annoying…

Wait…

Yeah, you’re right, it is. :smiling_face:

…like the circles we’ve been going round & round in this thread, and me coming back for more repeatedly :joy:.

The internet is fun. :smiling_face:

My guess is as good as yours as to “how they’re going to do it”. I remember reading somewhere years ago that the “plan” at the time was for Snyder to make his 4 or 5 movies, and then other creators would come in and make their solo movies for the heroes that were loosely based on what came before, but not as connected as Marvel. You can kinda see the seed of that plan in Aquaman and Wonder Woman. Will they continue with it? Who knows.

Honestly, I’m just tired of speculating. I know they’re giving me stuff I like right now. Gonna enjoy it… and hopefully they give me more of what I enjoy in the future.

Yeah, they need to announce something. It is getting kind of boring.

I see this article at Variety…

I’m not paying $40 bucks for VIP+ though, it’s not that important to me.

But that looks interesting.

And this, from yesterday…

I guess if they ever do DC FanDome again, it might be fun.

Anyway, I guess, and it’s Batman, concerning The Penguin, which is still moving forward (and this is from last month, but new to me)…

In a recent interview, Colin Farrell was asked about an update on his upcoming Penguin series.

Farrell stated he was busy for the remainder of the year but is set to begin filming for The Batman spin-off next February:

“There’s something I’m going to do here in LA between now & Christmas. I think next February will start.”

Farrell also stated that he got a look at the script and seemed to be very excited. Praising the direction, the actor described it as “so tasty.”

“I read the first script of what I think will be six or eight hours. It was so tasty. I was just kind of: Fu*k, nice.”

Penguin is currently set to release on HBO Max and centers around Farell’s Oswald Cobblepot, capitalizing on the emergency state of Gotham City.

The Batman is presented as an else-world story that has no in-universe connections to other DC films (such as Black Adam and The Flash). So the development of Penguin receiving a streaming series implies that Warner Bros. is planning to expand off this box office hit with their own “Reeves-Verse”.

They also seem to be learning their lessons from past mistakes. With Penguin not being set to begin filming until February 2023, the long game seems to be in motion.

Nice.

And that’ll fit in with the new way that David Zaslav seems to be doing things.

It’s basically going to be a crime mini series.

I really enjoyed Tokyo Vice, and that was 8 episodes…

And it’s getting a second season…

So… yep.

A Penguin show that’s crime-based…

“The world that Matt Reeves created for ‘The Batman’ is one that warrants a deeper gaze through the eyes of Oswald Cobblepot,” said Farrell. “I couldn’t be more excited about continuing this exploration of Oz as he rises through the darkened ranks to become The Penguin. Will be good to get him back on the streets of Gotham for a little madness and a little mayhem.”

“I have long been a fan of the world of ‘The Batman,’ and Matt’s film is such a powerful and bold entry into the canon,” LeFranc said. “I am excited and humbled to continue telling stories in the grimy world of Gotham City – and what better excuse to channel my inner villain than to tell the story of Oswald Cobblepot? I am thrilled to work with Colin, Matt, Dylan, 6th & Idaho, Warners, and HBO Max as we work to bring this story to the screen.”

Yep.

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Oh, and I guess there’s this too…

EXCLUSIVE: Warner Bros is going all in on The Batman director Matt Reeves and his 6th & Idaho production company. He has become the first filmmaker given an overall first look film deal since Warner Bros Pictures Group Co-Chairs/CEOs Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy were hired by Warner Bros. Discovery chief David Zaslav to steer the film division. In addition, Reeves has re-upped with the Warner Bros. Television Group and Chairman Channing Dungey, where he is also working on The Batman spinoff series The Penguin with Colin Farrell.

Reeves and 6th & Idaho had a first look film deal at Netflix. Reeves is spending so much time on film and TV projects relating to The Batman franchise that it made perfect sense for him to call Warner Bros home with the multi-year first look. De Luca and Abdy hope to see him grow into the kind of cornerstone filmmaker that Todd Phillips has been with The Hangover and Joker franchises, and what Clint Eastwood has been forever at the studio.

Holy Batman, Batman. :smiling_face:

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Yeah all The Batman / Reeves stuff doesn’t excite me all that much. Will check it out because: DC, and I may end up liking it, but realistic crime dramas aren’t really my thing. I enjoy Batman 66, which you just posted up there, more than this “grounded” stuffs.

$40 for a Variety subscription? Thanks but no thanks.

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@moro

I know, $40 bucks is a lot. Geez.

I guess if you work in the industry that’s justifiable. But as just a fan… nah, not to me, at least.

And briefly on the Matt Reeves news:

He said that Warner Bros. had talked about Catwoman as a potential series, or mini or whatever. So that may still be on the table.

And the Arkham show is still maybe happening…

“Pam and I gratefully inherited the relationship with Matt from The Batman, and through the beginning stages of planning The Penguin series for HBO Max,” De Luca told Deadline. “We were excited to nail down his overall deal because it’s a cornerstone of what we want to do with the filmmakers that are working at the studio. We want to create an atmosphere where all of these filmmakers can excel and do their work and stay with us once they are inside the Warners family. Keeping Matt and creating a home for him to do more projects in the Batman universe but also originals, was very important to us.”

The 6th & Idaho re-up with Warner Bros. Television Group comes as a production start looms for The Penguin, with Colin Farrell reprising his Oswald Cobblepot role for HBO Max. There is also a Batman Arkham series in discussion. Daniel Pipski continues to run the 6th & Idaho TV business, with longtime executive Rafi Crohn working across both film and TV.

And maybe still the Gotham PD show.

Because they passed on that because Matt Reeves said that Warner Bros. didn’t want a corrupt cop to be the star of the show, and Matt Reeves didn’t want to change it, so they both agreed to do the Arkham thing. And so maybe things have changed on that front.

Anyway, keeping score (because that’s what I do):

David Zaslav has so far greenlit the De Niro Wise Guys mob movie.

Joker: Folie à Deux.

And has given Matt Reeves a first look deal, so at least a couple of more Bat things from him will probably be coming.

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Oh, and just like that (which was also in the Deadline article)…

Screenwriter Mattson Tomlin is once again heeding the call of the Bat-signal.

Tomlin is reteaming with Matt Reeves to co-write The Batman 2, the follow-up to Reeves’ well-received Robert Pattinson-starring take on the Caped Crusader that proved to be a hit with audiences.

Plot details are being kept in the cave. It is not even clear whether it would feature the Joker, Batman’s classic villain teased in a closing moments of Reeves’ movie and portrayed by Barry Keoghan. The news comes as Reeves signs a first-look deal with Warner Bros. Discovery.

Tomlin worked on The Batman, coming in during the development when third act issues arose, although he did not receive screenwriting credit, which Reeves shared with Peter Craig. This time around, Tomlin is coming in on the ground floor.

The Batman, released March 4, took a gritty crime drama approach to the superheroics, grossing $770.8 million worldwide in the process. Reeves’ involvement in a sequel wasn’t guaranteed and a deal took longer to nail down than normal, partially thanks to the acquisition of WarnerMedia by Discovery, which unfolded in the spring.

The writing process hasn’t begun just yet but is expected to in the coming weeks.

Holy, Ba… yeah. :smiling_face:

EDIT (again):

And I really liked Mattson Tomlin’s BATMAN: THE IMPOSTER (it’s one of my top ten favorite comics)…

Just when there was no news… suddenly things changed.

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I just want them to cancel that Gotham Knights series before the pain & embarrassment arrives lol

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Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom” and “Shazam!: Fury of the Gods” will land in theaters later than planned.

Warner Bros. announced a slew of release date changes on Wednesday, pushing the “Aquaman” follow-up from March 17, 2023 to Dec. 25, 2023. The “Shazam!” sequel will open on the date previously occupied by Jason Momoa’s hulking King of Atlantis. The story about Zachary Levi’s Billy Batson was originally set for Dec. 21, 2022.

On its new date, “Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom” will debut a few days after Disney’s “Star Wars” spinoff “Rogue Squadron” (Dec. 23, 2023). Meanwhile, “Shazam!: Fury of the Gods,” which was initially set to face off against James Cameron’s “Avatar: The Way of Water,” now has free rein over its new opening weekend. Plus, a March release date worked well for Robert Pattinson’s Caped Crusader adventure “The Batman” ($770 million globally), another DC Comics film.

These things are never coming out. :smiling_face:

And I’m kidding… probably.

I wonder if The Flash will move too… again.

I guess it doesn’t really need to, but who knows…

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At some point though they may say just forget it and just move on…

Well with the current heads ruining WB my guess is that once they’ve completely ruined things either Paramount or Universal will swoop in and buy the company’s carcass. Hopefully this will lead to a real long term plan for a DC film universe.

I just hope DC Comics will be ok and weather out this storm.

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

@SuperBrainiac

I just hope DC Comics will be ok and weather out this storm.

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

Well, there’s rumors… :smiling_face:

In addition to the film and TV division, now Warner Bros. Discovery and David Zaslav have their sights set on the failing DC Comics division.

As I have been reporting on for years, DC Comics has been in dire straits due to its S-J-W and woke agenda where the company doesn’t care about the fans, doesn’t care about the characters, doesn’t care about quality content, and doesn’t care about making money (much like Marvel Comics).

Well, with the new merger it’s all coming to a head for Jim Lee and Marie Javins as it is reported the accounting offices of Warner Bros. Discovery have been taking a hard look at the books of DC Comics, where things are so bad that only Batman sells, as last month saw over half of the comics published not making the Top 100 list of sales.

And obviously that’s just a rumor from one of “those” kind of sites.

But… if in the not too distant future, DC Comics, Detective Comics Comics, is little more than Bat-books, I would not be shocked. :smiling_face:

There’s some months where it’s like that now.

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Yeah please don’t repost things from far-right Propaganda sites! It does nothing and is kind of inappropriate.

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Oh wow, what I wouldn’t give to be a fly on the wall for 1 of those! Perhaps someone will pull a Deadpool and some of the footage will just happen to show up online :eyes:

For real, any site that’s pushing the comicsgate agenda has absolutely no worth and doesn’t deserve to be promoted anywhere

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For real, any site that’s pushing the comicsgate agenda has absolutely no worth and doesn’t deserve to be promoted anywhere
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Meh, comicsgate has some worth. Just don’t get too into it or the anti-comicsgate crowd. But like everything there are good people on both sides. It is all internet BS afterall

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No it really has no worth. The far-right fringe of Geekdom is Toxic as all get out!

And no there really aren’t “good people on both sides” the far-right is very very bad, bigoted and down right evil!

But let’s not get off topic any further!

Back on topic For the future of the DCEU, I hope for the best but will be ready for the worst. Only time will tell, but right now things seem pretty shaky.

But who knows maybe Black Adam will pull an Aquaman/Joker and make a billion! Probably not, but would be nice! Just have to wait and see.

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Maybe the movie just doesn’t exist lol

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Too late, I’m 100% anti-comicsgate. That’s a movement that’s full of hate for anything diverse and has absolutely no worth in comics

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No you are Comicsgate. Hell everybody is.

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Its the internet, if you met most of Comicsgate in person I gurentty you would like a chuck of them as people. The internet lacks the nuance of humanity

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Not sure how that’s possible since I actually support more diversity in comics, which is the exact opposite of what they stand for

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