Is the Animated Killing Joke Movie As Bad as Everyone Says?

[BatMike-ThePunisher]

@EDT

Putting this specific post aside, if you look at HP at the begiining if the first movie…a kid with dead parents and a forehead scar that can talk to snakes…yea, that’s anti-christ material.

Strange dreams included if you include stuff from the first book.

[MatthewHecht]

I am far from a Potter head or fan of the guy as a character, but I have to disagree. Dead parents and heroic mark are basics of a hero. It is similar to my dead brother in New 52, Bats’s dead parents, Clark’s dead planet, Luke’s dead Aunt and Uncle.

The talking to snake piece is more evil sounding, but even then it is ultimately just used as a way to seek out and destroy evil in the best Harry Potter book/movie. It is one of the few times the franchise does not betray its own moral that our choices make our destiny instead of our circumstances as Parseltongue is used to fight evil instead of being it.

[BatMike-ThePunisher]

@MatthewHecht

I am far from a Potter head or fan of the guy as a character, but I have to disagree. Dead parents and heroic mark are basics of a hero. It is similar to my dead brother in New 52, Bats’s dead parents, Clark’s dead planet, Luke’s dead Aunt and Uncle.

The talking to snake piece is more evil sounding, but even then it is ultimately just used as a way to seek out and destroy evil in the best Harry Potter book/movie. It is one of the few times the franchise does not betray its own moral that our choices make our destiny instead of our circumstances as Parseltongue is used to fight evil instead of being it.

Just give the rights of Harry Potter to Del Toro or Tim Burton and watch that change in seconds!

[MatthewHecht]

Del Toro did almost direct them actually.

[EDT]

Anyway, back to DC - yea, animated movie is pretty bad. Graphic novel has great stuff, but also some terrible stuff. Moore has become a person of contradictions despite still having good points. And…I think that covers it

[BatMike-ThePunisher]

@EDT

Anyway, back to DC - yea, animated movie is pretty bad. Graphic novel has great stuff, but also some terrible stuff. Moore has become a person of contradictions despite still having good points. And…I think that covers it

I agree.

[SkylerSneathen]

Never was a huge Killing Joke fan. Bad? NOOOOO! Better Batman stories? YES! Better Alan Moore works? YES! Honestly, you can read it in like 10 minutes. So, I understand why they added more to it. Babs and Bats get it on? Who cares!!! Watch some soap operas or prime-time dramas, this is nothing that new or bad imho.

[arkhamassassin]

The 1st half wasn’t great but I also don’t think that part was as bad as most people make it out to be. What really ruins this movie for me was how they butchered Joker’s final monologue. If you wanna hear how it really should sound, watch this:

Joker's "Killing Joke" monologue in 3D

[raider_dave66]

People will always find something to complain about.

[MatthewHecht]

I think the film version is much better than this.

[SkylerSneathen]

Oh yeah! It’s the most important thing now a days.

[Corpsmember.78]

yeah, this is sadly for me probably the only DC Animated movie that is a flop.

The Batgirl Subplot, was not only not necessary it was never even fathomable until it was shown, and then it just became gross. So who ever thought oh boy this is really going to wow fans if we do this, that person should be slapped repeatedly with a Joker Fish.

Then, there was the singing scene, the music was just off and didn’t sync with anything, and the lyrics didn’t really rhyme. At least when you are reading it, you can make up a tune in your head and keep re reading till something syncs in your noggin.

That final scene , the final joke, over my head, and i hate jokes that are over my head. or jokes that have to be explained, if ya have to explain a joke…

I would prefer someone in due time, remake this animated movie, into a more grittier adaptation, maybe do it all in black in white… add some static to certain scenes.

I tell ya what though, I haven’t seen the new live action Flash movie, and I promise you, this animated movie is 100% better than the new Flash movie.

[dapayperboy]

To me its the worst, I love the graphic novel though.

[TheWifeOfJasonTodd]

I watched it a few months back and to me it was okay. Not my favorite, but I didn’t hate it. I also waited until years went by of knowing what was going to happen and knowing the changes they had made. At this point I mostly watched it just to say that I did, but I’m not going to hate on it.

[Izzy11]

i havent watched i have no desire to ever watch it bruce and barbra is way to creepy for me, same for the comic, I know what happens to barbra and have absolutlely no desire to see it play out. she gets fridged and it is in my personal opinion just generally bad writing to go out of your way to hurt a supporting character for the singular sake of advancing another character. In my opinion it never should have been adapted in the first place and it certainly was not handled well.

[brvciewayne]

@BatMike-ThePunisher

Batgirl subplot was not needed, but if you cut that, you have a really faithful 50 minute adaptation of the comic.

I think the intention of the movie was to empower and spotlight Batgirl as both a vulnerable human and a powerhouse superhero, however falls through on the execution. Barb becomes a pawn in Joker and Bats war and is portrayed as entirely dependent on Batman while he uses her then ghosts her. She is shown as being uncontrollably and unreliablely emotional and childish, yet has a toxic intimate relationship with Bruce. It does do well in showcasing how twisted Joker and Bats relationship is, and Joker’s obsession with Bats leading batfam members to be caught in the middle. And while it did stay true to the comic, there were some inherently problematic parts of the original issue and plotline as well. But DC can be known for being quite dark and going places it maybe shouldn’t for the sake of the story.

So, take it how you will.

[BatMike-ThePunisher]

I agree. Here’s a point I made a few days ago that… well, just take a look:

@BatMike-ThePunisher

If they wanted to make what happened to Barbra feel big, then here’s what they should have done:

They should have made the film an adaptation of the comic based in one of the already existing animated universes, like the Timmverse or the DCAU. Then, instead of creating a dull Batgirl story that feels tacked on, that time could have been used to connect the film to that series and then, we would have a stronger connection to Batgirl before she got shot and it wouldn’t feel like she was a plot device meant to further the story.

[Reaganfan78]

If anybody is interested, 3 years ago I’ve made a thread similar to this one about Barbara Gordon in The Killing Joke.

Barbara Gordon

[1_3YGiejsO2O6OHMVRvDKg7g.jpeg] I’ve been thinking, was the killing Joke really necessary? In my opinion Barbara Gordon is such a smart girl, so being a police daughter and a hero in her own right, you would think she be smart enough to ask who’s behind the door. I’m pretty sure back in the 80s they have a peep hole on a door so the homeowner can check. I can see why Yvonne Craig the original Batgirl hated what DC did to Barbara Gordon, it was almost as bad as Marvel killing of Gwen Stacy! So…