Alan Moore: The Roundtable Discussion

I think @msgtv is correct about Moore presenting a world that felt fully realized. Also, Watchmen was one of the first if not the first comics to present heroes who were flawed in their personal lives. This was a big change at the time.

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And, I think they felt flawed in ways that were real within their universe. Dr Manhattan and his slow estrangement from humanity and his own humanity is quietly Shakespearean in its way.

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Well, in answer to the new question, I won’t answer Watchman Babies, but what made Watchman special besides the phenomenal storyline and art, at least to me was the realistic depiction of how Super Heroes affected the world, and their portrayal as individuals with real world flaws. Especially, even if the flaw made them a despicable person or not really a part of society, that they could still be a hero despite that, most of the times. One example is to the Comedian and the rape incident. Also, Dr. Manhattan, that even if he was a God now, was still driven to some extent by basic human nature and desires, even though he did not relate to them.

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Comedian is another great example. He did despicable things, but Moore doesn’t turn him into some parody neo-fascist like some other writer.

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Each of the Watchmen
Have a different personality

One way to categorize
Types
Is Myers Briggs

Ever take
The Myers Briggs Personality Test?

I have
I am a ISFP

https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types

https://www.personality-database.com/subcategory/7232/the-league-of-extraordinary-gentlemen-2003-2000-2004-movies-mbti-personality-type

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What can I say about Watchmen?

The first problem is that
The comic book series
Is only a sliver
Of what Moore actually wrote.

From
https://www.twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/30moore.html

TJKC: Do you know normally work in full script?

ALAN: I always work in full script—and not only full script, fuller than normal scripts. My scripts are gigantic. They are huge amounts of detail and description that the artist is quite free to ignore if they want to. It’s sort of just there if they could use it. So yeah, they are very lengthy scripts.

Then there is what
We think we know
(Some because
We saw it represented
In the

Movie
HBO series
Before Watchmen
Doomsday Clock)

Did

The Comedian kill JFK?

The movie says YES
But in the book
The remark is
“Don’t Ask.”

Woodward and Bernstein?

Why is
The Black Freighter story
Included?

Who is Max Shea?

Watchmen
Is an alternative history story
Where
Masked heroes started in 1938.

Was Action Comics published in 1938
In this world?

All we know
Is that
Pirate comics are popular

Who should we be rooting for?

Daniel and Laurie?

Did Moore intend
Rorschach to be so popular?

All I know is
That the series
Is quite a ride.

I remember
An article
Which questioned
Whether FDR knew
About Pearl Harbor
Beforehand

The answer was
That the question
Was Too Big
To answer fully

Here is some research
I did this morning
To chew on

https://fritzfreiheit.com/wiki/Watchmen_(graphic_novel)

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What makes it special is that it depicts Superheroes in their most realistic light. What would a masked vigilante really be like? Well the answer is simple, a clinically depressed person with some mental issues.

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So Abby decides to follow
The 'Not Alec"
Which means
This is someone
She doesn’t know
In the least

A married woman

Who husband
she has weird
Feelings about
Suddenly
Making her
Feel Lonely
(The old
My husband doesn’t
Understand me)

Now
Relationships
Sometimes
Struggle

But
Is this
How this should be played?

Well it would help
If her husband
Suddenly becames
VERY EVIL

I know
Moore wants
The
‘Not Alec’ and Abby
To get together

But why not kill the hubby off?

Or at least have
Neil Gaiman turn him
Into a crow
Earlier?

I am sure
Neil would have
Accepted the five pounds gladly

This is
Bad Writing
Bad Motivation
Bad Everything

It’s like
Moore is saying
“I want this to happen
NOW.”

without any
Reasonable kind of setup.

And how
Did Abby get
Her new job Suddenly?

And why is
Jason Blood
Acting so creepy?

I thought he was a good guy.

And who when introduced
Says
“My name is
BLOOD”?

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I see the community headline in today about a YA book putting Constantine in middle school. I think we need to update Watchmen Babies to a Watchmen YA graphic novel putting all the heroes as freshmen in high school filled with angst.

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So Comedian is the Jock

Silk Spectre the Cheerleader whose Mom was the Prom Queen.

Manhattan, Night Owl and Rorschach are all nerds, but different species. How do we differentiate them?

Rorschach has big hygiène problems and is prone to wear a paper bag over his head (with eye slits) Bugs fly around him. No one sits next to him, in class or lunch room

Night Owl is overweight, shy and wears thick glasees

Manhattan spends all his day at rhe chem lab and always wears protective googles

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Night Owl the standard brainy nerd ala Peter Parker.
Rorsarch a loner
Manhatten the Cool kid

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Wouldn’t say
Manhattan was cool

More inhumanely smart, like 120 on all tests.

Intimitätes all the teachers. Afraid to call on him. Worried he will say that is wrong or stupid. No lively discussions possible when he is in class.

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Figure he’s smart enough and powerful enough to be a cool kid.

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The principal is Nixon, he ‘cool’ teacher is Redford

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Maybe
Comedian is the
Sadistic Gym Couch
Instead

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@Razzzcat, it’s here.

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Cheerleader wears
Uniform at Glee practice

Manhattan can Moon Walk

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Of course because it’s Moore, all of our expectations of these stock characters are either subverted or elevated within their archetype

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Ozymandias is rich kid with the latest car, gadgets

Everybody hates him
But he throws coolest parties

Father Biggest Man in Town
Anyone touches son
Sued
Or Mysteriously Disappears

When
‘Ozzy’ brings his full grown tiger pet to class
Hijinks occurs

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