Alan Moore: The Roundtable Discussion

[TurokSonOfStone1950]

I think when
I read Swamp Thing
The last time
I started with
The first appearance
Of Constantine

Swampy didn’t seem
To have much agency

He was lead and prodded
By Constantine

I didn’t like him very much

His native disposition
Was to do as lttle as possible

I liked Abby
But didn’t see
Why she was with him

Since he was
Almost inert

I Read Anatomy Lesson
And the next issue today

Anatomy is like
I thought it was

This is Woodrue’s story

He is
After all
The Narrator

Swampy
Is just
The monster
Whose job
Is to tie up
All the loose ends
At the end of the issue.

In the next issue
Abby shows up
And I instantly like her.

Matt seems okay
But
They are a point
In their marriage
Where she is
Lonely

She is intriguing

Swampy
Still doesn’t appeal

Let’s just say
He has issues

Big issues

Moore’s dialogues
Are mainly
A lot of puns
Which are not appropriate
For the situation.

I think I have to go slow
With this

Maybe an issue or two a day

Re evaluating

[Reaganfan78]

Looking at Wikipedia on Alan Moore, I was suprise to see there’s one movie he help made that I’ve always wanted to see. ‘The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.’
Not sure why I haven’t seen it yet. Is the movie any good?

[msgtv]

For me, it was good, entertaining but not great

[Zontar_of_Pellucidar]

Not a terrible movie, but as far as bastardizations go, it is right up there with the Watchmen Babies in V for Vacation

[TurokSonOfStone1950]

The names of the
Characters are the same, with the addition of Tom Sawyer and Dorian Gray

But none behave like they do in volume 1 of this series

The main villain is different

But
It is entertaining.

And what the
main villain
Wants from the heroes
Actually makes sense.

[Razzzcat]

@msgtv

If Swamp Thing is about love, V is about blinding yourself to it.

Agree.

@msgtv

I had a very, very strong reaction to them.

Sometimes, I have a hard time forgiving things like that too, even when it’s fiction, so I completely understand. I think the after effects of a certain plant man definitely changed things for me. Swampy says a lot about power and putting our faith in heroes, too, so my initial reaction was to be more angry at the world that hunted, persecuted, and made V/(possibly Valerie after all the torture & experiments). I didn’t place blame on anything other than complacency and greed—a lack of dignity & love…aaannd now I’m thinking about these:

[msgtv]

[TurokSonOfStone1950]

I was reading
A book on healthy eating
And it said

Plants don’t want
To be eaten

Or if that is not possible

(Since all that is alive
Dies)

To live on
In its descendants.

So plants contains
Posions

The bitter taste
Of the poison
Warns animal not
To eat them

Or the animals
Will sicken or die

But the animal
Named Man
Is relentless
And ingenious

And finds
A way
To remove
The poisonous shell

Or soak out the
Poison from the dead plant

So that
For example

We can eat cashews
Without fear.

Failing that

Some plants
Have seeds with
Hard shells

The job of the shell
Is to allow
The seed within
To pass through
The animal
And come out
The other end

Accompanied
By fertilizer
That allow
The descendents
Of that plant
To grow and thrive

So
For a period of time
Man
And Plant
Co exist
Under tension

But Man
Always
Wants more

More land
So trees are cut down

More food
So poisons
Are put on plants
To protect them
From insects

And animals
Are fed
Cheaper food
Like corn
That fatten them up

Not the grass
Which was the
natural way

And allowed
Plants and animals
To co exist

The animals
That we eat
Are stacked
Close together
Never seeing rhe sun

This promotes disease
So they are given
Antibiotics

All this

The poisons
The altered food
The Antibiotics

May
In the short term
Cause
Man to triumph

But
It it an Affront
Against Nature

And it will
End Badly
For both
Man and Plant

If Nature
Had a consciousness
It would say
NO.

That consciousness
Is
Woodrue

And that is
one of the points
Of Swamp Thing 23

It is a horror story
Effectively told

The humans in
That small town
Are innocent
And yet
They are not.

The second point
Is
Abby

Lovely Abby

She’s had a hard life.
And yet
She is Good.

Someone
Who might
Make you want
To be a better being.

And so
You might become one.

She should be protected

And so
While the
Not Alec
Who is wallowing
In non important things

Hears her cries for help

He remembers
What is really important

And
Takes Action

And
Says
ENOUGH

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[msgtv]

@TurokSonOfStone1950, @Razzzcat, @zontarr.26192, @Hugo_Strange, @Jay_Kay, @Green.Lantern, @CaptainYesterday, @MiscellaneousSoup, @mrsteamer96 & @RexRebel

Despite our best attempts at derailing the entire roundtable with a heated debate on Watchmen Babies, the discussion goes on with a new question.

[msgtv]

@NUEXGUY, @TheSandmanofGotham, @D4RK5TARZ, @scoop001, @Vroom, @flashlites, @discordia57

Yes, I know there’s a lot of hurt feelings at how personal the discussion of Watchmen Babies got, but try to put that aside and check out our latest question above.

-If you’re on the roundtable and I forgot to ping you my apologies. It’s a really, really long table and difficult to see to the far side.

[NUEXGUY]

I’ve never read any of it, but the movie is ok.

I like the concept better than the execution, but I also haven’t watched it in probably 10-15 years. Who knows how I would feel today.

[Vroom]

@msgtv

Watchmen Babies

@msgtv

It’s a really, really long table and difficult to see to the far side.

looks at table, then whistles in an approving manner

Say, is that birch?

runs hand along the table’s edge

Must be. That’s nice stuff. Especially when you dust it with a can of lemon-scented Pledge.

sits down at table

Yeah, seeing to the far side is tricky from here. I bet Gary Larson would agree.

This table does have a nice Keaton Bruce Wayne/Mr. Burns vibe to it though, I have to say.

Anyone for soup? Or…inviting Larry Burns over for dinner?

[msgtv]

Trying to think of a more comprehensive answer to why Watchman is so recognized as a great piece of literature and a darn fine comic. Clearly, there’s no single answer but what struck me as I was trying to mentally dissect it was how expansive it is. Here in this relatively short work we have an entire fully realized universe that stretches back to the 1940s and pulls in so many major real-world turning points in history, the development of the bomb, Cold War, Vietnam, Nixon all being twisted differently because of the presence of superheroes. But, because of the way Moore writes it, it also feels like a fully realized fictional comic book universe is being presented to us too. If that makes sense.

[CaptainYesterday]

I figure it was one of those long tables like they used for the Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts.

You all know Alan Moore as a great writer, but I think his career peaked as a musician in the band Kansas.

[capo-mage]

[Vroom]

Love those Dean Martin celebrity roasts. Comedy Central could learn a thing or dozen from them, as their roasts mostly suck.

[capo-mage]

I got em on vcr lol. VHS

[msgtv]

Alan Moore: The Dean Martin Roast and Comedy Hour

coming soon to DCUI

[Vroom]

reserves a table at said event

I tossed in an extra fiver, because I was told it would yield me extra roast beef, and I loves me roast beef.