:stargirl: :stargirl: The New Golden Age Discussion Thread (SPOILERS) :stargirl: :stargirl:

Never played the aclaimed activision game where you save her from Venom?

I have good memories of MJ and Spidey for Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man 3, and The Spectacular Spider-Man. None from Spider-Man TAS. She was awful.

They were compelling together in Conway’s run and Wein’s run. They really seemed to be growing as people together.


I suppose someone out in the world liked how they were portrayed in that movie.

I didn’t mind Spider-Man pre and post-“black suit” (its really a very dark gray in most respects), but when he was all “tough and stuff”, I could barely hold back my giggles.


I mean, I didn’t really enjoy it, so I hope you caught when I said this:

The part when Spidey met pudgy, powerless, tech-billionaire Peter Parker was well-done, but otherwise the story was… not great.

That said, I think we may be talking about two different things here. I’m essentially going on another “marriages aren’t the best idea for comics” rant while I think you’re more focused on the quality of OMD as a story. I’m not really going to defend that aspect of it or whatever Quesada did to alter the tale that made JMS pull his name from the story, but I also don’t know the specifics on what was actually changed. So…

I wouldn’t argue against that because I’ve read enough Peter Parker and Matt Murdock stories to know it’s true. It’s a good enough way to go about things because it implies conflict and conflict is what makes stories interesting. And, yeah, things getting too cozy for our favorite couples does bore me.

Let’s be fair to MJ here because Peter was actively pushing her away. He was basically outright telling her they’d never be together. If someone tells you that, can you be blamed for finding someone new? I don’t think so. That’s setting an unfairly high standard for Mary Jane.

I’ve said this before, but divorce is generally not considered an option for superhero marriages. First, because it would infuriate fans worse than never having the couple get married in the first place. Second, because even in the year 2023 I imagine that having a marquee character like Spider-Man get a divorce would be politically dicey (I’m picturing the “What Does Spidey’s Divorce Tell Our Children?” news stories now). That’s why publishers tend to reach for universe resets, clone sagas, and deals with the devil to end comic marriages. It’s often better to choose the ridiculous over something that would upset a large number of people.


Two great examples from before they were married!


I did, but that was written as I was reading the post, dear boy.

“Oh, most definitely.”

You just had to pop the “MJ was a ***** at certain points in Spider-Man 2” balloon, didn’t you? :smile:

That’s fine, it was a cheap balloon anyway.

All we need is someone who has the balls to actually do it and then we’ll see how fans react.

These characters are essentially unbreakable. If worse comes to worst, then just say “The devil made us do it.” and go on with Spidey cracking wise as he cracks skulls.

Worked for Brand New Day (which I loved), after all.


I mean, man, I don’t know… If I were writing comics, I’d be pretty gutsy when it comes to flying in the face of fan expectations. That said, I’m not even sure I’d be willing to end the marriage of a popular couple in divorce. There’s a difference between accepting the fact that you might get attacked by wolves when you walk through the forest and willingly throwing yourself in the wolves’ den.


Same. I’d try new ideas, characters, locations, partnerships, etc.

That reminds me of one of my favorite dialogue exchanges in my favorite Die Hard movie, Die Hard with a Vengeance:

John: “You said you didn’t even like your brother!”

Simon (aka the DCEU Alfred): “There’s a difference between not liking one’s brother and not caring when some dumb, Irish flatfoot throws him off a roof.”

Ouch, Future Alfred.


I have exactly one. It takes place during issue #5 of the Spider-Man/Human Torch mini series by Dan Slott.


One is better than nothing, I guess!


I’m finally caught-up with Justice Society of America (Ultra-wise) and it may just be my favorite team book, right now.

Each issue was better than the last, and I really enjoyed the different generations of the Society coming together in the climax.

Now for my catch-up/partial re-read of Stargirl: The Lost Children!

Paging @Huntress_Helena: Being that Huntress is a central character in the current Justice Society book, have you been reading it?


Sandman issue is 10th. Flash issue is 17th. Green Lantern issue is 24th. I think Sandman issue is in December, as that is all comic geeks says about it.


justice society 7 by mikel janin:


I look so beautiful


and now for the shipping update

#7 now scheduled for November 7th. For those keeping track, that’s 7 issues in 12 months.

#8 for December 12th (I’ll say late January)

#9 for January 21st (more like late March)

#10 already had its orders cancelled


Honestly… the fact that it’s just over the 1 issue for every 2 months ratio is pretty good for a modern day Johns series.


Why, I remember the days when not only one Johns title was on-time, but more than one was.

Why, it was a golden, gilded age of comic goodness, it was.

Why, I’m glad I started reading Justice Society of America as it hits retail with #6, as waiting one additional month for it on Ultra would have been more than 'ol Pappy could take as he rocks back and forth on the 'ol porch while the 'ol tumbleweed rolls through Delay Gulch o’er yonder.

Ya ever been to Delay Gulch, by chance? Its full of…delays.


While we wait… Moth Golden Age Fun Facts!

Quality’s Chic Carter (aka The Sword) was a reporter for a paper called The Daily Star:

Chic Carter Daily Star
From Smash Comics #1.

Golden Age Blue Beetle’s girlfriend Joan Mason, at one point, wrote for a paper called The Daily Planet:

From Blue Beetle (Fox) #47

In my headcanon, these are the same Daily Star and Daily Planet papers that Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and co. worked at.


I keep wanting to like the Justice Society series but yeah, these delays are killing my momentum…so basically your standard Geoff Johns run.

It bums me out, though. His initial JSA work from when he took sole writing duties up until before Infinite Crisis was solid. That was a book I had to buy every month. His Justice Society of America run, especially that excruciatingly long Kingdom Come arc didn’t hit for me. I didn’t love JSA All-Stars either.

This current series started off promising but the last issue I read with how quick they got rid of Per Degaton was like “I’m sorry…what??”


Golden Age Fun Fact #2:

The 1930 novel Gladiator by Phillip Wylie was likely a direct influence for the creation of Superman. The book followed the life of super-strong, nigh-invulnerable Hugo Danner as he tried to find a place for himself in the world. It’s actually a pretty decent book for the time period. Superman archetype characters were even referred to as “Wylies” because of the novel’s influence.

The novel and Hugo Danner fell into the public domain which allowed Roy Thomas to add the character into the DCU. Hugo became important to a few different legacies as a result. Hugo is the father of Iron Munro and the great-grandfather of Manhunter Kate Spencer. In Post-Crisis continuity, he’s potentially the Great-Grandfather of Dream of the Endless, Daniel Hall. There were hints that Iron Munro was the true father of Infinity, Inc.'s Fury having served with Lyta’s mother in the Young All-stars. If that’s truly the case then Hugo is the Post-Crisis great-grandfather of Dream.


I remember reading that in 2005. My library finally got a copy. I wanted to read the inspiration behind Doc Savage and Superman. It was a pretty good book! Reading it for the influences, you can really see how he influenced both heroes. Reading it on it’s own, it’s tragic what happens to Hugo.

Thanks for bringing back good memories :slight_smile:


Yeah, I also sought the book out when I was reading up on Superman influences. I got it for like a dollar on Kindle shortly after I read a few Doc Savage novels. Thomas’ retcons to Hugo’s story didn’t exactly hold true to the book’s rather bleak finale. However, it’s kind of nice that his son, Iron Munro, was able to live in a world where he didn’t feel so alone which is what Hugo ultimately dreamed of.

Sticking with the theme of Superman predecessors, prior to Supes, Siegel and Shuster created Doctor Occult for National Allied Publications (Golden Age DC) in New Fun #6 from October, 1935. It seems that Siegel and Shuster weren’t done shopping the character out, though. They rebranded Doctor Occult as Dr. Mystic and sold a short story to Centaur Publishing that was printed in Comics Magazine #1 from May, 1936.

Dr. Mystic

It was the only appearance Dr. Mystic would make. However, “The Koth and The Seven” storyline which began with this Dr. Mystic story for Centaur Publishing would be completed by Doctor Occult in National. The storyline ran as a Doctor Occult story in National’s More Fun Comics #14-17. It’s not often that a story starts for one publishing company only to be completed by another, but that’s exactly what happened here in the wild west that was the Golden Age. In my headcanon, Dr. Mystic is just an alternate universe version of Doctor Occult.