The Bias Toward Marvel in Comic Book History Discussions

I may not be giving the new stories a good try.

My vision is poor and I mainly use my Android phone to read comics.

Large panel are very difficult to read. The dialogue of The Batman who Laughs is unreadable to me, with its red ink.

The perfect story for me to read is Watchmen, with its nine planel grid per page. The more a comic deviates from that, the more effort is required from me.

Often I just give up.

I grew up with comics having three or four stories in an issues. Though lacking much or even stupid characterization, these issues were easy to read, with no continuity.

Even early Marvel were ‘done in one’ issues or two heroes sharing a title.

Even DC Bronze Age comics had mostly stories complete in one issue. If not, like Steve Engelhart and Marshall Rogers Batman in Detective Comics, there was enough story in an issue to satisfy a reader.

Paul Levitz had a major plot in each issue of Legion of Super Heroes, with one or two minor plots also, which would become major plots as the older plot was resolved.

Now, with many writers, you have to read the prior issues in an arc to see what is going on. The stories are meant for trade, not single issues.

Sometimes it is a good writer on a title they are not suited for. Tomasi was great with Superman, Lois Lane and young Jon Kent but I would read his Batman and not remember what the story was about, a half hour later, even when the issue had a favorite guest star like the Spectre.

Bendis seems to be unsuitable for all his books, though previously he had a great track record at Marvel on team books, young heroes and street level heroes. I think he is just burnt out or has to follow dictates of poor editors.

Bendis has a great line up in Justice League. He only writes Naomi well, and GA and BC somewhat okay. His villains are ridiculous.

Peter David run on Young Justice was great. Bendis was not, partly because of adding new characters that did not jell with the originals

I liked Jon Kent as a ten year old. The Kent family was an ideal one, that I really enjoyed when my own family was terrible to me.

His method of aging Jon by keeping him as a prisoner in a volcano for seven years, without any emotional trauma, is the worst idea I have ever heard.

I do like the idea of less continuity, which allows for Superman 78 and Batman 89.

I like the larger size books, which allow less selling characters to continue, but the five dollar or more price is too high, since the stories move at a slow pace.

Titans Academy is far inferior to Geoff John’s Teen Titans. Therein both the Original Teen Titans acting as mentors to the Young Justice graduates were all given characterizations. All were great characters. In Titans Academy we see little of the original team and the new characters are non entities.

I read in Comic Book Roundup that Ram V is a good writer but I miss Alec and Abby, so I have not read the new Swamp Thing.

I liked Tom Taylor in Earth 2 very much but the violence and killing in many of his stories are not my cup of tea.

(I like Horror Comics. I came back to comics starting with Marvel Black and White Horror Magazines in 1973. I was a fan of Wolfman Colan Tomb of Dracula, Wein Wrightson Swamp Thing, and Adventure Comics The Spectre. But I like my super heroes without horror, especially Body Horror, as in New 52 Animal Man)

I hope this gives a better view of where I am at.


Just read the first four issues of

Superman Son of Kal el

Pretty Good

But again

Built for trade
Not for individual issues

Jon finally has a personality as an adult.

I still miss ten year old Jon.

Tomasi has so many great stories to write about him.

Seven years lost for no reason.

Maybe a recon and a seven year jump?

Then two separate titles.

It would satisfy everyone


That is something that I have been noticing with modern comics.

I picked up Wonder Woman 772 at the comic book store earlier this year to jump into her story. I was completely lost, I couldn’t read it. It’s part 3 of a 9 part arc and the book was doing nothing to catch me back up. I had to read the first 2 parts on DC Universe Infinite when they came out.

There is a Supersons Animated movie coming next year, hopefully that will wet some appetites.


It is fully CG and a battle movie, so I am not getting my hopes up as I hope to be wrong.


DC Comics does not care for new readers.

In the old days
When a lot more kids read comics
They could afford them only occasionally

As a result

They were very few even two part stories

Justice League of America had a two part story with the JSA each summer

Fantastic Four went to multiple issue stories around the time of Galactus and the Silver Surfer.

Even then the first page of each issue would recap what happened and who the hero was.

After Crisis on Infinite Earth, DC abandoned that approach and lost the new reader.

Now to understand a series

You have to start with the first trade of that series in that era, not just any trade.

Or hope that any new writer tries to establish the setting so that a new reader can understand what is going on.

That is why there are very few new readers.

A newbie who has to spend five dollars on a comic and understands little is unlikely to give it a second try.

Event comics with dozens of issues are financially out of reach. Also it is likely that most new readers won’t get every issue even if they could afford it, since the comic book store may not enough copies.

Newbies do not have pull lists.


Look at my my complete list for New DC Readers. It is intended to introduce most of the major characters of the universe at a basic level. It is by year

Compare them to the comics coming out today.


There is no reason why Batman arcs have to be six issues and more

This is my
Batman for new readers


I don’t know if it is on account of a kind of “imprinting” from watching the 60s era Superman, Aquaman and Batman animated adventures as a kid or what but I feel most connected to the DC heroes and comics.

That is not to say I have anything against Marvel characters. In fact, Spider-Man and the more cosmic heroes like Doctor Strange, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are faves of mine as well. But I still am most hopelessly warm-hearted for DC.

Due to space and budget constrictions for the last few years, I’ve pretty much bought only select DC comics on a regular basis. These days it’s been the terrific Nightwing series.

Also, I’m very lucky to have had access to the Future State TPB volumes on hand at my local public library.

And, yes, I realize that, thanks in large part to the MCU in theaters, Marvel is riding higher at the box office and comic rack sales. But I still can’t do without my DC Heroes fix! :sweat_smile: :+1: :star2: :star_struck:


I cannot find Batman in that image. Is it Bruce Wayne to the left of Wonder Woman.

I am also having an urge to watch Superfriends!


That’s a great observation! I hadn’t realized Batman is missing in that group picture! I think that particular pin-up art was created to celebrate Superman’s co-stars in the “DC Comics Presents Superman” monthly comic. He and Batman were already regular co-stars in “World’s Finest”. :grin:


It’s just something you WOULD NOT see until recent days


Oh my God@TurokSonOfStone1950, you just echoed my feelings about current comics. The only Marvels I now read regularly are also Fantastic Four and Daredevil. Spider-Man is currently on the bubble (and that is so sad). And I have recently pared down my DC reading list to The Flash, Blue and the Gold, and Superman '78. The decompressed storytelling employed by both companies, the event obsession, and ham-fisting agendas over narratives have turned me away from the “big two”. For the first time in over 55 years, I will longer be reading Superman and Batman on a monthly basis! And that is VERY sad.
And yes, Silver Age Marvel Comics were better than Silver Age DC Comics, but not by that much. Remember DC had a stable of writers and artists that jumped-started a new age of comics. DC fell behind in the sixties because editorial read the room (the buying public) wrong. Not all comic readers were 8-12 years old. Stan and company recognized this and wrote to a slightly older audience. This practice brought in new readers, keep the ones they already had, and probably poached a slew of teen DC readers. DC didn’t start to catch up until Infantino became editorial director and welcomed budding young stars like Denny O’Neil. Neal Adams, Len Wein, recognized what he had in Jim Shooter and Cary Bates, and brought in Dick Giordano, Jim
Aparo and Steve Skeates from a rival company. And finally polished off his poaching be luring The KIng–Jack Kirby–from “the house of ideas”.


Is the only regular comic from the big 2 that I’m buying. And Daredevil is usually a good read, I wish the Big two had more genre books like they used to do. I love the 70’s horror comics


What agendas are they fisting in?


Although reviewing it just now, the series is imperfect.

I liked very much how the Series Outsiders (2003 2007) handled character development.

Members were Nightwing, Roy Harper, Thunder, Grace, Shift, Indigo and Jade.

The first few issue had fresh takes on Gorilla Grodd, Joker and Lex Luthor.

Since many of the team were very new, the creators could develop them as they wanted.

As such, they mainly took the time to develop each character, before getting into intimate relations, which eventually concerned
Roy Harper and Grace, Thunder and Grace, and
also Shift and Indigo.

Initial reactions changed.

This series was written when only Massachusetts allowed gay marriage and public opinion was not favorable toward GLBT.

A recent evaluation of Grace, Roy and Thunder


That article also brings up Tara and Slade. I feel like a lot of storylines end up aging poorly. I recently bought The Book “Superman the War Years 1938-1945” and my friend said that this is the only time frame where she would not like Superman.


Most 1940s super heroes are hard to read in large doses.

Batman stories are the best

For Superman, it is often fascinating how Jerry Siegel uses his imagination to find a story for a too powerful super hero.

As for Marston’s Wonder Woman, let’s just call it a very unique approach.

Here are some links on another creation of Jerry Siegel, the all powerful Spectre.

With his set of powers, he could end any story on page one, yet there were JSA stories that had him fight street thugs

Eventually comic sidekick Percival Popp became the lead, just like Black Canary overtook Jonny Thunder.


When you say comics aren’t for new readers, I think you’re actually not understanding the demographics. The truth is that most younger people don’t like the comic format; they’ve gotten comfortable with graphic novel format, due to manga. So DC and Marvel putting comics out that can be bundled into a graphic novel is the best way for them to get the younger readers. While I am older, I have a lot of younger friends and they almost never buy comic books off the shelf.


I was talking about floppies

I clearly said

And while trades are usually cheaper than buying all the single issues, they are still quite expensive.

Comixology has sales but that is digital.

To own 20 trades is quite a investment today.

No way are you keeping up with the hobby.


I think that’s what he was getting at.

Manga is numbered and some manga go on for over 100 volumes. I would say most go from 10-30, but I could be wrong. Manga is released weekly in magazines.

Graphic novels are usually 10$ more expensive than a manga volume, but they are also bigger in paper size, in color and more expensive paper.

I collect floppies for the variant art and I also like to collect older floppies.