World of Wonder will be reading Superman/Wonder Woman this week and I will be hosting a watch-along featuring an awesome Wonder Woman/Steve Trevor segment this Saturday, February 15th!
Click on the hearts to get transported to events featuring these two couplings!
Superman and Wonder Woman DO have a lot in common, but I think thatās exactly why theyāre a bad match. Both are in search of the best that humanity has to offer them, having been denied normalcy by the circumstances of their birth. Itās Lois and Steve who allow Superman to feel like a man, and Wonder Woman to feel like a woman.
Superman and Lois Lane forever, ergo, never SuperWonder, in my opinion.
I did like Wonder Woman and Batman in DCAU like Justice League. They were cute and I could ship it. Sheās kinda too good for everyone, as an immortal demigoddess is, and doesnāt need no man, but if Iām choosing between Steve and Clark, itās always Steve.
Personally Iām against inter-League dating of all kinds. It kind of messes with the magic of the DC Universe. Part of what make it special is that it can be conjoined and segmented at will. To tangle up two separate lines romantically like that creates too permanent a bridge. It gets to the point where you canāt really tell a Wonder Woman story without addressing Superman, or vice versa. Let characters date within their own character pools.
However: I would like to say, @nu52, that it is extremely cool that you are running two separate events for each ship this Valentineās period. And the combustibility of this poll was exactly what I needed to be reeled into a Watchalong this weekend. I admire your event planning and structure!
Super easy decision, full pun intended. Iāve voiced my opinion many a time on how Steve Trevor couldnāt get near it. Iāll allow my literal hometown hero all the WW he wants. Trevor stay away from my princess.
As discussed above, I think the Superman and Wonder Woman want and need human connections. They both want to be part of the human world (at least in many iterations of the characters). Thatās not to say exploring their alien/mythological roots canāt be exciting (it is! I absolutely love exploring the pantheons of old), but if these two power houses drift too far away from their humanity and are treated like theyāre too much āaboveā everyone else as major DC tent-pole characters, they can be hard for readers to connect to. Actually, both of these characters can already be difficult to relate to (for me) - in some stories they are almost treated as perfect and infallibleā¦ whichā¦ ehā¦ Also, as tent-pole characters, I agree that building a relationship with a character within their own solo series or family of books seems to allow more growth for the characters involved.
I think exploring Clark and Diana as a couple in the new 52 was interesting. In the end, it actually helped me appreciate their traditional relationships more. Iāve never been a huge Lois fan, but this experience really solidified her as the right partner for Clark in my mind.
Hereās the thing about Wonder Woman ā whether sheās a being created from clay or a demi-god, sheās effectively immortal. Steve Trevor can spend the rest of his life with Diana Prince, but she canāt spend the rest of her life with him.
I think thereās a reason why when we often see SuperWonder in the comics, itās at some point in the future, when Steve Trevor and Lois Lane are effectively long dead, such as Kingdom Come and the Dark Knight Universe.
Another thing to consider as to why I think SuperWonder is in some ways more popular is that, letās be honest, the two werenāt a couple longer in the span of comics than they were. Like, Post Crisis he was married to Etta Candy, and that span of comics history went forā¦30 years, give or take. Even in the Golden Age it was a will-they-wonāt-they and he was seemingly virtually absent in the Silver Age. Really, this is the first period in comics where I think DC has seriously tried to make WonderTrev a real, viable couple, and itās only been here for about four years at most.
This is probably crazy rambling at this point, so Iāll just say that I find both compelling and full of potential, and I donāt think one negates the other. Does that make sense?
What I like about SuperWonder is that I can see them being a friends with benefits sort of thing. And it would likely occur in the future as @Jay_Kay pointed out.
The only WonderTrev that I can really get behind is the Diana and Steve we met when World of Wonder read about them in Smallville Season 11.
Bruce and Diana are an odd pairing, but since their baggage is rather different, it should work at least for a little while.
I love Diana and Steve together. Theyāre really a great couple, but Iāll always prefer Wonder Woman and Superman. I never cared for Lois & Clark. I like Lois. I like Clark. Just never cared for them as a couple.
Wonder Woman and Superman do share similarities, such as their line of work and the love they have for mankind, as well as their power levels. Thereās a reason why Lois constantly gets stories where she gains powers out of nowhere. Itās fun! That being said, Diana and Clark have differing views and ways they approach certain situations. Theyāre not carbon copies of one another. They challenge each other and itās wonderful.
I also donāt subscribe to the notion that Lois is what ties Clark to humanity. Clark had an entire childhood and upbringing full of love from his caring parents and friends. Clark in his adulthood has Kara, Jimmy, Perry, Bibbo, etc. If heās only invested in mankind because of one person, thatās kind of sad.
You all made great points. Just going to reply to some comments now. Donāt mind me.
Though Clark may be in search of the best that humanity has to offer, I donāt feel Diana is. She knows what the best humanity has to offer is. IMO, sheās trying to bring it out.
I can see that from Clarkās POV, but not Dianaās. She was born a Wonder Woman among a race of Wonder Women. She had a typical upbringing for an Amazon.
Iām not exactly sure what you mean by this. Men and women, to me, donāt need to be in relationships to feel like men and women.
I can also see what you mean about inter-League dating. Itās not the smartest of options. As far as stories being conjoined and segmented at will, I still feel that itād be no different to people asking where Flash is when Green Arrow needs help, etc. Just because two people are in a relationship, I donāt believe theyād always have to be together.
Thank you for joining the watch-along Hub. Really was a blast
True!
@capo-mage That Wonder Woman action figure is amazing!
Yeah, many people share your thoughts on this. Totally understand. Relatable characters are necessary to do just that, have the readers relate to the story. I guess, when it comes to comics, Iām just fine not relating to characters. I personally prefer to read about both types of characters and stories. The relatable and the not-so-relatable. I like characters that you can aspire to. There are so many characters that are āflawedā and are ārawā and theyāre awesome. I do appreciate the infallible sometimes though. Itās not to say Diana and Clark donāt make mistakes or have their faults, but part of the reason I read comics is for that sense of heroism that you really only get when you see/read Wonder Woman or when you see/read Superman.
Aww, thatās sad, but true. Steve and Lois are human after all and Diana and Clark will eventually lose them no matter what. Itās heart breaking (Chris Pineās Steve ).
Thatās a good point. For decades, Steve was Ettaās love interest. The thing is that in other projects outside of comics, some of which are far more popular, Diana and Steve are linked. Lynda Carterās Wonder Woman is linked with Steve. DCAU Diana has a strong link to Steve in the animated Justice League. Her first solo movies (animated and live action) feature Steve as do her second solo movies (Bloodlines and 1984). Theyāre even link in DC Super Hero Girls. Those appearances definitely keep them at the forefront of peopleās minds. Diana and Clark really only had a few scenes in the animated movieverse and a few scenes in JL Action.
I figured that one would win by a landslide
Thatās definitely a popular ship. I was going more for actual relationships, where that was more just a little flirtmance, but WonderBat has a strong following for sure.
Yes! I really liked them in that story. I always like them, I just really liked them there.
First off on, Wonder Woman and Batman ā I think thereās definitely some interesting parallels and honestly more so than even her with Superman.
Both are in their societies born in a place of privilege. Bruce is of course born of old money, conceivably without a want for anything. While Paradise Island is in many ways more equal than in ours, Diana was still born as a princess, someone to be revered.
Both are skilled fighters. A lot of times when, say, a JLA story focuses on Batman and Wonder Woman, itās with the two sparring, in some ways equal in terms of skill. I like to imagine that theyāve both teached each other different moves over the years they worked together.
Finally, theyāre both on a mission that they both know, deep down can never be fully achieved. Batman is fighting a war on crime, and Diana is out to create peace on Manās World.
Always and foreverā
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