What do you mean?
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The whole show is full of offensive jokes and graphic deaths for most characters. While youâre at it, why donât you get mad about the cancer ray? I donât know. I just feel like there really wasnât a big issue. Harleyâs jewish, apparently, and sheâs the main character of the show.
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I never really thought of that but as a Jewish person who knows other Jewish people I can see how it can be a bit offensive. Especially with the long noses and graphic deaths.
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Literally watching SOUTH PARK right now so WTF? I think youâre worried about the WRONG SHOW BUB!
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It isnât okay just because something else is worse, though. Southpark is a separate discussion.
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Iâm just saying if youâre going to be up in arms about something go comment on all of Comedy Central & the South Park twitter pageâs comment threads and the Reddit pages and everywhere you can. Go PROTEST SOUTH PARK outside Comedy Central first. I do not understand. I do not understand why someone would bring up references in HQ when in SP antisemitism jokes are soo blatantly spewed in the Jewish peoples faces for years and years & it probably still happens in this new season but Iâll let you know later, Iâm only on the first episode.
I never said it was âokay because something is worseâ Donât put words in my mouth @MildlyRebelliousMint
I think this is a good thing to bring up & is a bad thing that is has happened & it needs to be discussed & could stop here if the show moves forward but to bring up HQ when SP operates at the level it does & has been is something I donât understand.
Iâm sorry if I misunderstood. I certainly didnât mean to put words in your mouth. That said, the people here are fans of DC and they care about the characters and probably do enjoy some aspects of the show. I think itâs normal to want to have a discussion about the problems they see with it and what parts make them uncomfortable. I wouldnât say they were up im arms about it, either. It seems to be a very nuanced discussion to me.
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Matt Stone has a Jewish mother, so itâs pretty much the same issue: can a Jewish storyteller claim the right to make âironic antisemitismâ in their works?
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If you ask me, even if you are a Jewish person you shouldnât be allowed to get away with antisemetic comments.
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There is certainly a blurred line that separates healthy self-deprecating humor from internalized bigotry, and things that are intended to be firmly on one side often overlap.
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Huh?
Itâs not necessarily a bad thing to laugh at yourself, but in doing so, you might reveal that youâve accepted many of the hateful ideas that other people have of your demographic. Case in point: Jewish creators making fun of Jewish culture.
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In all seriousness, I think itâs much more practical to avoid reading or viewing media that you find particularly offensive. For example, I like stand up comedy. There are some comedians whose material I find so offensive that I donât listen to them. Either because of especially crude and shocking material, or just because I donât like the point of view theyâre expressing through comedy. Itâs only entertainment, after all.
On a show where someone called Wonder Woman the C word, itâs interesting to me that people find the Jewish stereotypes so offensive. That show is all offensive content. I think it would be ridiculous if I watched the whole series and then started complaining about the content after Iâd willingly sat through the whole thing.
Let me beat a dead horseâŚitâs ok to say the content is offensive, but if you watched it all anyway, itâs hard to take your complaints seriously.
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Like the HQ series or Mel Brooks movies
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Youâre confusing âthis is a joke that might be over the lineâ to âthis has a long history in hate speech.â Imagine the difference between joining a USO tour and making what you think is a Bay of Pigs joke and showing live footage of soldiers being killed in a minefield. The problem with the latter is that itâs traumatic, not offensive. And itâs hard to take lectures about responsibility seriously from someone who deliberately dismisses the differenceâŚ
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To be honest I was a little confused by the whole Bar Mitzvah episode on Harley Quinn, I know it was done to be funny and maybe to introduce Penguinâs nephew. But Penguinâs background was the scoin of an old money WASP family, the Cobblepots. The episode was funny, and I doubt it was meant to be culturally insensitive. They needed a party with a theme for a kid that would have adults present.
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I agree that at the very least, itâs in poor taste. You have every right to be offended and speak your mind. But you could have turned it off.
That would be a deliberate attempt to offend a specific group of people. Itâs different than a show thatâs streaming. Also, no soldiers were harmed in the making of HQ.
War is traumatic. Abuse is traumatic. Harsh words on a tv show are offensive. Thatâs all Iâm saying.
I think Daniel tosh has some holocaust jokes. I know Jeff Ross did. A lot worse than what was on HQ. But people still watch all of that and enjoy it. Not much to be done about it.
Iâd think that with whatâs going on in the US today no one would care about a TV show. Especially one that has something offensive for everyone.
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Are we forgetting the part where stereotypes are comedic because they are wrong. The point is that it is outlandish and is to be laughed at. In a show with offensive humor, being outrageous is just part of it. Its ok not to enjoy that type of humor but that doesnât make it a flaw in the show.
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Donât forget how Sy Borgman refers to himself as âHalf man, half Jewâ. We need to end the culture of hate, especially when itâs masked as humor.
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There are many good points in this discussion, I must admit I missed the connection. We must be very careful as with current events we find ourselves on a slippery slope. Are we headed to a society where the only safe jokes target male WASPs? How long before we realize that is also unacceptable. Writers will find themselves constantly worrying about offending someone and a lot of good stories may go unwritten. It is unfortunate that Penguinâs image is so similar to the hateful images of 1930s Germany; regardless of the authorâs heritage care needs to be taken.
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