DC History Club, Muck And Magic Double Feature: John Constantine

Post 07 2020 October Constantine Readings

Week 1

American.Gothic
Alan Moore
Saga 37 51

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/a5d3d82b-505b-4107-af6f-b14379d1115f

Issues to read
37 All
38 All
39 All
40 pgs 3 to 5 last page
41 skip
42 skip
43 skip
44 skip
45 last 3 pages
46 Red skies Crisis
47 Parliament of Trees
Makes House of Secrets #92
Canon
48 All
49 All
50 All
51 first pages end of arc

Week 2

2012 New 52 Jl dark 9 to 12
Jeff Lemire

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/7f8b4e81-5dc2-47d0-b303-40de3a13bbf5

Week 3

2018 The Hellblazer
19 to 24 tim Seeley
Constantine meets Huntress Helena Bertinelli

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/c9ad54fb-d1ce-43d9-a170-570c6ac4e8f0

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Post 08 2020 October Constantine Library

Reading order

The character first appeared in The Saga of Swamp Thing #37 (June 1985), and was created by Alan Moore, Rick Veitch, Steve Bissette and John Totleben.
Alan Moore issues with Constantine
37 50

He serves as the lead character of the comic books

Hellblazer (1988–2013)

Not in Library

In 1988, Constantine was given his own title, Hellblazer. In 1993, at the launch of DC’s Vertigo Comics imprint, Hellblazer was made an official Vertigo publication. It was the longest continuously published Vertigo title with 300 issues

Constantine (2013–2015),

Constantine: The Hellblazer (2015–2016)

The Hellblazer (2016–2018)

Post 09 2020 October Constantine Watch Alongs

IMPORTANT

The 2014
Constantine TV series

https://www.dcuniverse.com/videos/constantine/63

is leaving DC Universe on
October 23rd:2020

Members are encouraged
To attend the Watch.Alongs
Hosted by
@Pretty.Poison.Bombshell

This week
10/9 Episodes 3 & 5

dcuniverse.com/t/watch-along-constantine-episodes-3-5

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Post 10 2020 October Constantine Week 1 Readings

Week 1

American.Gothic
Alan Moore
Saga 37 51

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/a5d3d82b-505b-4107-af6f-b14379d1115f

Issues to read
37 All
38 All
39 All
40 pgs 3 to 5 last page
41 skip
42 skip
43 skip
44 skip
45 last 3 pages
46 Red skies Crisis
47 Parliament of Trees
Makes House of Secrets #92 Canon
48 All
49 All
50 All
51 first pages end arc

Post 11 2020 October Constantine Week 1 Discussions

American Gothic is one of the longer story arcs, running from issue #37 through issue #50.

In issue 36
Swamp Thing’s body is destroyed
And he attempts
To regain his form
Throughout issue 37.

Constantine finally meets
Swamp Thing at the end of issue 37, though he is in several pages within

Constatine has been investigating an evil rising in the world, and decides that it’s time to bring in Swamp Thing.

He hints at some coming apocalypse.

If Swamp Thing will investigate, Constantine will reveal something of his origins.

In other words, he claims some secret knowledge and is manipulating Swamp Thing who desperately wants to learn what he is

The arc blends traditional monsters like vampires and werewolves with.social issues like oppression of women and racism

None of The supernatural events are epic in themselves, but all making people more receptive to the supernatural, an atmosphere the sinister Big Bads will exploit

Along with other supernaturals including Phantom Stranger, Spectre, the Demon and Dr. Fate, Swamp Thing becomes the thin green line against the Dark.

Discussion

What character traits does Constantine display?

How does Constantine know where and when the next event will occur?

What do you think of the position of the Parliament of Trees on evil?

In issue 50 why is the seance of magicians necessary?

When Swamp.Thing is the last one standing against Evil, there is a discussion between the two. Do you find the ending satisfying or anti climatic?

Moore is a great story teller and provides great settings and atmosphere. What about some of his dialogue?
I find Abby delightful and Swamp Thing satisfactory. Does other dialogue take you out of the story?

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@nu52

is doing
Two topics
That deal with
Comstatine

The first topic
contains
a recon to issue 50
That we are reading

The second is on
Hellblazer Rebirth
Issues 1 to 6

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Another opinion
On the character of
Constantine

TV series
Versus
Comic books

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Two shots from Swamp Thing #37’s intro of Constantine.
JC 1st look
While Moore intended him to be a working class magician, Constantine appears relatively buttoned up and respectable for Moore’s run. Other than a slightly loosened tie, we do not see the disheveled magician he would become.


What Moore nailed immediately and doesn’t have to change is John’s nature. He admits he’s bad news, and he manipulates Swamp Thing from the first moment they meet.

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Watched some more of Constantine today, picking up after last night’s WAL. What struck me is that there is a role reversal of sorts in the show from the American Gothic saga in Swamp Thing. In Swamp Thing, Constantine has a far better idea of what’s coming and drops hints and manipulates Swamp Thing to ready him for the fight. In the show, to some extent Manny the Angel knows better what is coming and drops hints and manipulates John to ready him for the fight to come.

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Constantine City of Demons
Is a two.parter on CW Seed
Co owned by CBS and Warnet Brothet

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This Watch.Along
With
@pretty.poson.bombshell
Is a two part episode
Of the Constantine TV series

The two spisodes
Involve a women
Who was part of the group
With John.Constantine
Involved in a botched exorcisism In Newcastle
Of the young girl Astra

If you are unfamiliar
With Newcastle and Astra
Watch the first scene
In Episode 1 of this series

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Tomorrow
I will start week two
With Jeff Lemire’s work
On John Constantine in hia run of the New 52 Justice League Dark

New 52 had certain goals

Intergrate Vertigo and Wildstorn into the DC Universe

Making the heroes much younger to try and make the characters more relateable and accessible to readers. As part of that, some history was eliminated or at least compressed, relationships between characters differed and many legacy characters were eliminated

In his Vertigo title Hellblazer John Constantine was aging in real time.

He was in.his 60s in his Vertigo Title. In New 52 he is much younger.

The 300 issues of Hellblazer are unavailable to us.

New 52 is a reboot.

John.Constantine was reset to be more comfortable in the world of super heroes, a world not addressed in his Vertigo title.

He used to use magic as a last resort, using cunning, hiding the Big Picture and manipulating others, often to the detriment to the mental or physical self of others

How much does the old John Constantine exist in the New 52?

Some links on Constantine in the regular DC Universe.

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It’s interesting that they let Constantine age in Vertigo. It does help his history make more sense, mainly that he led a punk band. Sure, they’re still out there somewhere, but the original timeline places this squarely in the 1970s age of punk. But, DC had no choice but to move him to DC proper. He is simply too valuable as a character and a commodity not to have him interacting with superheroes. While his series haven’t been as popular within the DCU, adding his street-wise working magician act to the rest of the universe has been worth it.

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Week 2 Readings

2012 New 52 Justice League Dark 9 to 12
Jeff Lemire

https://www.dcuniverse.com/comics/book/-/7f8b4e81-5dc2-47d0-b303-40de3a13bbf5

Video for week 2

Constantine
Episodes 8 and 9

This Watch.Along
With
@pretty.poson.bombshell
Is a two part episode
Of the Constantine TV series

The two spisodes
Involve a women
Who was part of the group
With John.Constantine
Involved in a botched exorcisism In Newcastle
Of the young girl Astra

If you are unfamiliar
With Newcastle and Astra
Watch the first scene
In Episode 1 of this series

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New 52 Justice League Dark 9 to 12 is a good story.

Exotic locations
Interesting characters with different abilities

Jeff Lemire is a great writer

But is it a good Constantine story?

Constantine usually works alone.
He uses magic as a last resort
He manipulates people
He doesn’t give them the whole picture
He cons them
Allies have a tendency to die around him

His duties are
Self survival
The Mission

How is this charactetization
Like and unlike
The true Constantine?

In team books
Constantine becomes
More and more
Like a standard super hero.

To what degree is that true here?

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I’ve read Lemire’s run on DCU. I agree he is a great writer. This may be my favorite Constantine run that I’ve read, and that includes Swamp Thing. Course, have the caveat that I haven’t read Vertigo’s Hellblazer which is a giant hole in my Constantine reading. Next year on DCUI? I’m going to bet yes.

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The TV series
Constantine

https://www.dcuniverse.com/videos/constantine/63

Is leaving DCU
On October 23

There are 13 episodes

The Best Episodes are

3
5
8
9
12
13

Other episodes with interesting aspects

Episode 1

First scene with psychiatrist
Establishes a lot about Constantine

Some spooky scenes

First time Chaz ‘dies’

Some DC Easter Eggs
Like Helmet of Dr Fate

Map is shown
Which is used
To point John
To the next supernatural event

Female character and actress is replaced in all other episodes
By Zed which is shown in
Final.shot for a few seconds

Episodes 7

Main plot just doesn’t work

But nice scenes with two angels.

Episodes 10

Explains how Chaz survives

Chaz has divorced wife and a young child. Motivation why he is not with them not convincing

Confusing episode because of lot of flashbacks
Then is much more interesting than current time
And not given sufficient time

Bland old villain.

Summary of Episodes

  1. Non Est Asylum

In the series premiere,
Constantine has voluntarily
checked himself into an
asylum and sworn off
investigating matters of the
supernatural. But with dark
forces gathering power in
the world, he reluctantly
resumes his old life - allying
himself with Manny (series
star HAROLD PERRINEAU),
a rogue warrior angel, and
Chas (series star CHARLES
HALFORD), Constantine’s
childhood protector and
only friend who’s managed
to stay alive. Now, the
irreverent con man and
occult expert takes on a
rising darkness when an
old friend’s daughter, Liv
Aberdine (guest star LUCY
GRIFFITHS) becomes the
target of supernatural
forces. JEREMY DAVIES
guest stars as Dr. Ritchie
Simpson, a friend from
John’s past who shares a
dark secret.

  1. The Darkness Beneath

Deep in the mountains of
Western Pennsylvania,
John Constantine is a small
mining community’s only
defense against an ancient
Welsh spirit. In the course
of protecting these isolated
innocents, Constantine
finds a vital new ally in a
mysterious young woman
named Zed (series star
ANGÉLICA CELAYA). JAMES
LeGROS guest stars.

  1. The Devil’s Vinyl

John and Zed engage in a
dangerous confrontation
to save a woman and her
family from sinister forces,
after a desperate wife
makes a deal with the devil
to save her husband’s life.
Constantine’s efforts force
him to confront the darkness
in his own life - while also
coming face to face with a
powerful new adversary in
Papa Midnite (guest star
MICHAEL JAMES SHAW).

  1. A Feast of Friends

When Constantine’s old
friend accidentally releases
a powerful demon, John is
forced to determine exactly
what he is is prepared to
sacrifice in his battle with the underworld.

  1. Danse Vaudou

In New Orleans,
Constantine’s unusual
knowledge of a string of
crimes gets him into trouble
with Detective Jim Corrigan
(guest star EMMETT
SCANLAN). He must form
an unholy alliance with Papa
Midnite when a voodoo ritual
to help people communicate
with their dead loved ones
takes a deadly turn.

  1. Rage of Caliban

When a young boy is taken
over by a malevolent spirit,
John must put aside his
misgivings over exorcising
a child and convince the
parents that their boy is not
all that he seems.

  1. Blessed Are the Damned

While in art class, Zed has
bizarre vision of snakes
that leads her and John to a
small town where a preacher
has mysteriously gained the
miraculous ability to heal his
congregation.

  1. The Saint of Last Resorts
    Part 1

An old friend calls for John’s
help when an ancient evil
Surfaces in Mexico. A call
from Anne Marie (guest star
CLAIRE VAN DER BOOM),
a member of the fateful
Newcastle crew, sends John
and Chas to Mexico City
and brings them closer to
the source of The Rising
Darkness. Meanwhile, Zed’s
past comes back to haunt
her.

  1. The Saint of Last Resorts: Part2

John puts his life on the
line as he gets closer to
the source of the Rising
Darkness. In order to fend
off a vicious attack, John
summons a demon into
himself, while Chas, Zed and
Anne Marie race against
time to save John before it’s
too late.

10.Quid Pro Quo

Chas faces a parent’s worst
nightmare, when thousands
of people across Brooklyn
slip into a mysterious
coma - including his Own
daughter. Now, John must
find the evil behind it and
defeat it before it consumes
the city. MARK MARGOLIS
guest stars as Felix Faust.

11.A Whole World Out There

A paranormal experiment
goes horribly wrong when
a group of students tests
a disturbing theory. Manny
sends John to help his old
friend, Ritchie Simpson,
at lvy University, where a
group of his students have
unknowingly found a way
into an alternate dimension
only to be met by a maniacal
killer (guest star WILLIAM
MAPOTHER).

  1. Angels and Ministers of Grace

When John heads to a local
hospital to investigate a
mysterious attack of an
ancient evil resurfacing, he
enlists an unwitting Manny
to help him. Meanwhile, a
health scare causes Zed to
question the source of her
visions.

  1. Waiting for the Man

In the first season finale,
John and Zed return to New
Orleans when Detective Jim
Corrigan asks for their help
in the case of a missing
girl. And while Papa Midnite
takes steps toward exacting
his revenge on John, the
truth behind the Rising
Darkness comes to light.

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The 2005 Constantine movie
Has little to do with.the DC version

He is an American
With dark hair
An action hero.
With.a big golden gun

He does smoke a lot
And has cancer as a result

Shia LaBeouf plays
A version.of Chaz
Badly

The best thing in the movie is

Tilda Swinton in her two scenes

Spoiler
Ending

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100% agree Tilda Swinton is fantastic in Constantine. Like her, the character is strange, beautiful and faintly threatening. Watched the movie for the first time here on DCU. As it’s own thing, it’s enjoyable enough, but it’s Constantine’s American cousin, not John Constantine.

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Just watched
Constantine City of Demons
Available free
on CW Seed App
Not by browser though

The ending was very good

But I felt I had to drag myself
Through most of it

Audience in Rotten Tomatoes
Was 77%
Not enough reviews from critics To get a score

Similar to Episode 10
of TV series

In that it concerned
Chaz his wife and child
Chaz separated from wife
But just an ordinary human
Daughter under spell again

Also features Nightmare Nurse

And Negal the demon
That took away Astra

Can’t really
Recommend it
But okay
For completists

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