so if @MatthewHecht keeps referring to people as his son, you’ll just be immortal?
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oh boy
so-
When I first was introduced to Tim Drake, I hated him with a passion and wanted to erase him from DC because I thought he was an uninteresting mistake of a Robin.
Which seems to be a popular opinion.
Now he’s my favorite fictional character, I’ve read a lot more of his stuff, I find him relatable and think about him during like 90% of my day.
I also used to dislike Bernard Dowd because I thought he was boring before I gave him a chance, and was pissed they made Tim bi but then wo…
Hal Jordan, tired wine aunt
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Aquamon
February 22, 2023, 8:21pm
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there was one called the fans of the dcu i think it was held by nathonpayson
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OK, I’m gonna go on a bit of a rant here, because I’ve been stewing over this for a while and I need to get it off my chest. I don’t find the “Keith Giffen comedy books” (don’t know what else to call 'em) to be funny. At all. In fact, I think they’re incredibly obnoxious. There have now been three occasions when I’ve accidentally stumbled across a Giffen “funny” book (DC Retroactive: JLA – The '90s, Defenders [2005], Starman [1988] #35 ) and each time my immediate thought while reading them has been “What the hell is this crap?”. (I think I also read a couple Ambush Bug issues [DC Comics Presents and Secret Origins] that did nothing for me either.) I find them off-putting. Distasteful. His style of humor is the class-clown, elbow-to-the-ribs, nose-tweaking, back-slapping type that I just cannot stand. It’s not that I lack a sense of humor. When I read the “funny” books that he’s written, I know where and what the jokes are. I just don’t laugh. I sit there stonefaced. I know that I’m supposed to be laughing, but I don’t. I feel like a stick in the mud. Then, I think, maybe I should lighten up, not take things so seriously. They’re just comics, after all. But no. They’re just not funny to me.
Worse yet is that, most of the time, Giffen ropes J.M. DeMatteis into this nonsense with him. J.M. DeMatteis is one of my absolute favorite comics writers… when he’s on his own. I find him to be incredibly thoughtful, his writing almost poetic. It’s evident that he truly cares about the souls of the characters that he’s writing about. But when he’s paired up with Giffen, it’s like when the smartest kid in class gets seated in the back row next to the class clown, and he starts goofing off too, and his work starts suffering, and his grades start slipping. You hate to see it.
Mostly though, I think the reason that I despise these books so much is not just that I find them unfunny, but that I find them disrespectful. Yes, disrespectful. I don’t know what other word to use. I like my superhero characterization treated with some seriousness. And so did the writers and artists who created and worked on those characters for years, sometimes decades, before Giffen and his sometime partner-in-crime DeMatteis came along and made a mockery of them. Don’t get me wrong. A little levity and humor is a good thing, even welcome. You need some light-heartedness to balance out the darkness that these stories often descend into. But there’s a big difference between having fun and making fun. Taking established characters that were created and developed by others with a serious intent and turning them into jokes just absolutely rubs me the wrong way. The Justice League, the Defenders, Starman… they had always been treated with seriousness before Giffen and DeMatteis (and Peter David, on the Starman issue) got their grubby mitts on them and, thankfully, that seriousness was reestablished after they left. If they want to engage in such tomfoolery in their own books with their own original characters (as they did in Hero Squared/Planetary Brigade), that’s perfectly fine. More power to them. But these established teams and characters should never have been allowed to be turned into jokes.
In conclusion: “Bwahaha”? No. Boohoohoo.
(You and me both, Canary. You and me both. Booster knows what’s up.)
Amazing critique by @KookieSuperApe
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Let’s make an award show.
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AMAZINGLY written commentary that a vehemently disagree with
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Aquamon
February 22, 2023, 9:07pm
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I can build and animate it. I can not do the planning. If y’all want to make something like this happen I would love to. I talked about doing something similar where we could hold our own DC fandom event. If y’all want to make an outline of what the place is to look like it’s nothing for me to make, well not nothing but I’m happy to do it I just can’t spend time doing the planning. things like: Pictures in this frame and videos playing here and this room for this and what not.
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That sounds fun! Want to open a new thread to brainstorm categories while we continue to fill out this thread with inspiration?
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Aquamon
February 22, 2023, 9:24pm
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sure
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Think of this thread as the For Your Consideration thread
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Club leaders and mods do for meetings and stuff
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Most likely to make a best man toast so mean the groom cries
poll
This whole absolutely HYSTERICAL thread on Hal’s wedding and Ollie ruining it
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Jurisdiction:
The APOP vs POP war!
I’m glad APOP is still remembered, I made that thread on my old account.
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No I’m @Thebatman.7002 .
(I highly recommend not going on that account, young me was super cringe.)
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